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spoonitnow
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06-07-2006, 11:18 PM
Post subject: AJ steal hand OTB
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Straight Flush
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SB is about 80/25 over 40 hands. I'm working on stealing/blind defense situations, and I had no clue how to handle this hand.
PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Preflop: Hero is Button with J , A .
2 folds, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero caps, SB calls.
Flop: (9 SB) 2 , 7 , T (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero calls.
Turn: (6.50 BB) 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.
River: (6.50 BB) 6 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.
Final Pot: 8.50 BB
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Harry
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I think having a 80/25 to your left is a very bad thing.
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by Harry
I think having a 80/25 to your left is a very bad thing.
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Agreed, but I was sort of looking for comments/suggestions about the hand, not the guy who had just sat in the hand before.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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euphoricism
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No complaints. Get up.
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midas06
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I actually don't mind having 70%+ on my direct right anymore. Sure they're annoying, but that means you just have to tighten up a bit and only bet for value. If I have a good seat, and a 80%er sits on my left, I won't get up.
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elipsesjeff
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Originally Posted by midas06
I actually don't mind having 70%+ on my direct right anymore. Sure they're annoying, but that means you just have to tighten up a bit and only bet for value. If I have a good seat, and a 80%er sits on my left, I won't get up.
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You should. I wont even sit down if there is a guy like that on my left, no matter who is on my right. There is always a better table out there, no need to gamble.
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Xanadu
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If there is an 80/25 and the rest of the table are all fish, I don't care where the 80/25 is, I'm sitting down, that's a good table in my book. Sure it's better with them on the right, but you can always change seats.
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elipsesjeff
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Originally Posted by Xanadu
If there is an 80/25 and the rest of the table are all fish, I don't care where the 80/25 is, I'm sitting down, that's a good table in my book. Sure it's better with them on the right, but you can always change seats.
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GaMBool. No thanks, its just my preference but I've sat at tables like that and 60 BB swings are just not my thing for one table. I may sit down and play till I bust with 25 BB but no more.
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Xanadu
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Just curious, Jeff, is it just the swings you don't like? Do you think this guy being on your left loses money, or is it profitable, but also a huge increase in variance? If you hate huge increases in variance, that's a very good reason not to sit down. I don't mind variance much, so maybe that's why I don't care as much where the fish are at the table as long as they are at the table (possibly also a product of playing at paradise, where there are fewer tables to choose from?) Of course, I always try to get the good seat. I also go long stretches where I only play an hour or 2 once or twice a week, and don't rely on the poker for any income.
Another point that I think deserves consideration here, is how much of a maniac is this 80/25 player post flop? If you can use this guy to build huge pots when you have a good hand, it's awesome to have him on the left. Like when he's a guy that can't resist betting when checked to him.
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6high
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
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Originally Posted by Xanadu
If there is an 80/25 and the rest of the table are all fish, I don't care where the 80/25 is, I'm sitting down, that's a good table in my book. Sure it's better with them on the right, but you can always change seats.
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GaMBool. No thanks, its just my preference but I've sat at tables like that and 60 BB swings are just not my thing for one table. I may sit down and play till I bust with 25 BB but no more. |
You're not adjusting your game to suit table conditions. You're just changing tables to suit your game.
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thenonsequitur
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Originally Posted by 6high
You're not adjusting your game to suit table conditions. You're just changing tables to suit your game.
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With an abundance of tables, this is not a bad strategy.
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6high
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Originally Posted by thenonsequitur
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Originally Posted by 6high
You're not adjusting your game to suit table conditions. You're just changing tables to suit your game.
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With an abundance of tables, this is not a bad strategy. |
If you're leaving a table full of donks, just because there's a huge donk on your left, you hate money.
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thenonsequitur
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Originally Posted by 6high
If you're leaving a table full of donks, just because there's a huge donk on your left, you hate money.
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That's only true if you can't find a table equally full of donks with a huge donk on your right.
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