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Demiparadigm

07-29-2005, 11:16 AM Post subject: Agression

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This hand sets up the next one... (Same Villain)

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K

, Q

.
3 folds, Hero raises, 4 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.40 SB) K

, 9

, 6

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.20 BB) 2

(2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.20 BB) Q

(2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.

Final Pot: 10.20 BB

Results in white below:
BB has 9d Ah (one pair, nines).
Hero has Kd Qc (two pair, kings and queens).
Outcome: Hero wins 10.20 BB.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 6

, 6

.
2 folds, MP1 raises, 3 folds, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, MP1 calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB) 7

, T

, 4

(2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls.

Turn: (4.70 BB) 8

(2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets, MP1 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP1 calls.

River: (10.70 BB) 5

(2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: 11.70 BB

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Nehmer

07-29-2005, 02:47 PM

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Hand 1: Looks fine

Hand 2: I think this is fine because you hit the double inside straight draw on the turn and might possibly still have the best hand, but I wouldn't recommend playing like this without the straight draw.

Demiparadigm

07-30-2005, 12:11 AM

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I 3 bet pre-flop to isolate the loose raiser,
The double gut-shot is why I 3-bet the turn, along with the possibility that I had the best hand.
I love his river fold. I am seeing a lot more raise-fold lines at 5/10 than anywhere else.

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elipsesjeff

07-30-2005, 01:52 AM

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Three betting HU on any draw is -EV, especially the turn. You'll get burned eventually.

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Fnord

07-30-2005, 04:16 AM

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In the first hand a flop 3-bet or turn raise is clearly called for.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demiparadigm

I love his river fold. I am seeing a lot more raise-fold lines at 5/10 than anywhere else.

2+2

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tbone

08-01-2005, 03:23 PM

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I might have these a little diff. 1st hand I would have rearaised after the flop for info. You had top pair with a decent kicker. If he calls he msut not have the best hand or maybe then thinking of slow playing .Thats where player reads come into hand. Now that he will probably check on the turn you can bet or jsut check if you think he is slow playing you or is a calling station. Then bet on the river. Just my two cents. And I with jeff 3 betting a draw will give you -EV. Rasie on the flop for a check to draw your card. but remember you are on a draw with a middle low pair. Worked out here but over time is the limit game.

poskid_1982

08-01-2005, 04:05 PM

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I agree with Fnord on first hand...Though I'm not sure if I raise the flop. Been playing 3/6 and 5/10 at UB and have been seeing lots of hands like this. I prefer to allow him to be the aggressor on the flop and then flip it on him come the turn.

2nd hand...Meh. turn 3- bet sucks but I'm also finding myself making more aggressive plays kind of like this with lower PP when you have a fairly raggy flop and turn. (Cant believe he folded to 1BB on the river

)

Superb play sir...I always call 20% of my stack off with a gutshot draw. Excuse me while I race for my wallet.

TylerK

08-01-2005, 04:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

Three betting HU on any draw is -EV, especially the turn. You'll get burned eventually.

Why do you think he doesn't have the best hand to go along with his 10-out draw?

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08-01-2005, 04:20 PM

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Quote:

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I prefer to allow him to be the aggressor on the flop and then flip it on him come the turn.

I used to do this with my best hands. Then I discovered that often online players will still lead the turn even after I have 3-bet or capped the flop.

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08-01-2005, 09:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TylerK

Quote:

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

Three betting HU on any draw is -EV, especially the turn. You'll get burned eventually.

Why do you think he doesn't have the best hand to go along with his 10-out draw?

Something about getting check raised on the turn that I dont like. If I think I'm ahead here I'm not going to spew the chips and risk getting capped, especially if you are going to call down here anyway. Without a definate read here I'm calling down. In a 6 max game I'm more implied to raise on the turn here as the two heart or a 9 here will check raise to try and win the pot.

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Trikflow77

08-02-2005, 08:28 AM

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3 betting hand two is insane..... with position he will lead the river if you call the raise on the turn, then pop the river. If you dont hit, you get out 1 bet cheaper. The 3 bet is -ev any way you look at it.

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