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G_host
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11-21-2005, 08:07 AM
Post subject: Aggro with KQs from SB
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Straight
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Sweden
Posts: 227
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Tought I played this good first, but the more I've been thinking about it I don't know if I underestimated my oppenents and went to aggro on them.
What do you think about the pf raise and the 3-bet on the river? Couldn't put him on QQ or slowplaying a flopped set, so I thought I had a good chance to win or split this pot.
UTG quite normal not to good player, 30/5, haven't done anything special so far. MP2 is the table chip donator, 88/8. Calls down with anything and a bit more. BB just a fish 55/2 with big tendency to CC pf.
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Preflop: Hero is SB with K , Q.
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls.
Flop: (8 SB) K , 4 , 3 (4 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, UTG calls, MP2 calls.
Turn: (5.50 BB) 7 (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, MP2 calls.
River: (8.50 BB) Q (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, MP2 folds, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls.
Final Pot: 14.50 BB
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lamaros
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Flush
Join Date: Jul 2005
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It all seems in order.
You have to wonder why the river raise. What can they raise here that you beat?
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KoRnholio
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jul 2005
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Looks great to me. No reason to pin UTG on anything better than your top 2 pair.
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Andy Holt
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Flush
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: They were suited!
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Depends on the table, but I'm normally just cold-calling preflop to get better drawing odds with KQs hoping others will limp behind me. Half the time I'm raising, half the time I'm calling preflop.
As for the rest of the hand, I can't see anything wrong other than this guy being a donk and slowplaying a set of 4's. You're fine.
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silverfist
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Flush
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I really like the preflop raise. KQs is such a sweet hand that you want to pad the pot so they don't fold on you when you flop your monster. It's my favourite hand.
I don't like your river reraise here, though. He obviously thinks he has you beaten, and he hadn't gone aggro until then. Either he's been slow playing you or he's bluffing (he almost certainly doesn't have three queens, since you have one, and he didn't raise pf). He may also have KQ, but then why hasn't he been raising you?
When someone suddenly goes aggro on a card that almost certainly didn't help him, there are two possibilities:
a) He's been slowplaying you
b) He's bluffing
If it's a), you'll just lose a bet by raising. If it's b), he'll fold and you'll win nothing. Therefore, you should just call a raise like this on the river.
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G_host
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Straight
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Well he was slowplaying. Showed me a pair of Aces. 
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ihategnomes
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Full House
Join Date: Aug 2004
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Preflop raise almost all of the time.
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Andy Holt
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Flush
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Originally Posted by G_host
Well he was slowplaying. Showed me a pair of Aces. |
I find that very funny, if not typical.
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JJDylan
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Straight
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Location: Buffalo, NY
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i like the way you played it...but i have seen that some bad players will flop a monster and wait till the river to raise you, so i'd pay attention and be careful with 3-betting this situation in the future
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G_host
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Straight
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Originally Posted by JJDylan
i like the way you played it...but i have seen that some bad players will flop a monster and wait till the river to raise you, so i'd pay attention and be careful with 3-betting this situation in the future
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Well this was the part I was trouled with afterwards, what on earth would a normal sane player (which was the read on him) reraise the river with. Atleast KQ or? Shouldn't I be afraid of a slowplayed set enough just to call this one? I know that majority of badplayers had me in a very aggro mode on this table where I would find most of my TP good.On a more normal table maybe a call on the river would been the better way or?
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Fnord
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Moderator
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Originally Posted by G_host
Well he was slowplaying. Showed me a pair of Aces. |
I love players that misunderstand LHE that badly.
I'm not sure I find that 3rd river bet....
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Phyl
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Flush
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Texas
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Originally Posted by silverfist
When someone suddenly goes aggro on a card that almost certainly didn't help him, there are two possibilities:
a) He's been slowplaying you
b) He's bluffing
If it's a), you'll just lose a bet by raising. If it's b), he'll fold and you'll win nothing. Therefore, you should just call a raise like this on the river.
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He could also be raising a decent hand that Hero has beat, Q7 Q4 and Q3 are all paying off another bet. I'm not necessarily saying I'd make the 3-bet but it's not as clear cut as you said since the Queen definitely could help the loose villain.
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