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scgolfer
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09-15-2004, 04:04 PM
Post subject: Aggressive enough? LHE
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Full House
Join Date: Apr 2004
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Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed)
I am sure I should have raised the turn as well. dang it.
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T , T .
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, Hero raises, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls.
Flop: (10.50 SB) 8, T , Q (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 bets, Hero raises, MP3 calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls.
Turn: (10.25 BB) 7 (5 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, MP1 calls, Hero calls, MP3 bets $5 (All-In), BB folds, UTG calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.
River: (15.25 BB) Q (4 players, 1 all-in)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG caps, Hero calls.
Final Pot: 23.25 BB
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Holy crap I cant play against Yoda!!
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Krapp
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Flush
Join Date: Aug 2004
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To me it would depend. Calls are ok if the final pot is bigger vs raises/re-raise and knocking the extra money off the table. If you feel the opps will call everything, then raising is the best play.
What happened to MP1? Hes calling the turn but nowhere on the river.
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Fnord
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09-15-2004, 04:32 PM
Post subject: Re: Aggressive enough? LHE
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by scgolfer
I am sure I should have raised the turn as well. dang it.
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Yup, otherwise well played. On a bad day I smooth call that flop.
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scgolfer
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Mp1 got disconnected, and was pissed because he had straight. But of course UTG had Q 7 for a full boat, to my tens over Q's. I had the same read Fnord had but lost to a 2 outer. I think I played it OK.
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Holy crap I cant play against Yoda!!
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Fnord
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Freakish. Yeah, you're losing a lot of chips there, don't sweat it.
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fishstick
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well played. can't do anything about the bigger boat.
you know golfer, we all know that poker is a skill game, not a luck game, but if there's anyone that seems to get hosed a disproportionate amount of the time... 
dude, nothing personal, but if there's an ftr get together, please don't book a seat on my flight. 
based on hands like this, i'm granting you a month free from Banning Request Forms - you've got enough problems!
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i hate what i have become to escape what i hated being...
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scgolfer
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If you have probably noticed I have posted several of these, not ranting anymore but wondering if I played my side correctly, even if its means I lost more to the othere guy? This hand if played properly I should have lost another $4 bucks probably.
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Holy crap I cant play against Yoda!!
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Fnord
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I just wonder if hands like this are distracting you from the other interesting hands that are leaks in your game...
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Fnord
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One more thought...
After every 2-3 sessions or so, I mine PT for leaks. Big losers are the most obvious target, but generally I find a bunch of suck-outs, missed strong draws against multiple aggressive players and hands where I had to think I was good until I was tied to the pot. Among that mess will be a one or two hands where I really screwed the pooch.
The vast quantity of my leaks these days are missed value bets, picking bad spots to be aggressive, calling down turn (check)raises, hanging onto a hand for a bet or two too many and the occasional bad limp.
These can't be found with a simple sort.
Although, you might want to try filtering out all of your pre-flop cold calls. Looking at them (and how much I lost with them) was a leak I plugged early on.
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Toasty
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4-of-a-Kind
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Most are my leaks are smaller ones, check your AKo hands, I catch myself calling/raiseing on the flop in small pots that don't even give me odds to draw to a turn card.
Also semi high cards, AJ Queen on the flop and you peak at the turn card. I can usually go through my hands and see places where I have wasted bets by peeling off cards.
AK is a prime example sometimes it jsut has to be folded and I don't mean on the river.
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Poker is all about the long long long long long long long term . . .
Barney's back . . . back again . . .
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Vegastripreport
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07-13-2009, 03:30 AM
Post subject: One other thing on this …
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#11 (permalink)
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Putting aside the painful ending, I think it is important to raise that turn to punish MP1, who could well be hanging around with a Jack for a longshot straight draw after the 7 hits.
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