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Shotfrog
Old 02-17-2005, 11:19 PM     Post subject: Against passive with monster hand #1 (permalink)  

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Preflop: Hero is Button with J, A.
UTG calls, 4 folds, CO calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls, CO calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) J, K, 6 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, CO calls, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG calls, CO calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 7 (3 players)
UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, CO calls.

River: (10.25 BB) T (3 players)
UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, CO folds.

Final Pot: 12.25 BB

Results in white below:
UTG has Kd As (one pair, kings).
Hero has Jh Ah (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: UTG wins 12.25 BB.

Is there a way I could have avoided this?
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Old 02-17-2005, 11:21 PM #2 (permalink)  
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River bet is pretty thin, but I admire your fearlessness. Every other street is perfect.
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Old 02-17-2005, 11:25 PM #3 (permalink)  

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I really figured he had nothing when he stopped betting.

But in another hand that just happened, he raised and re-raised to where I started to seriously wonder if my trips would take him down. But I couldn't see anything on the board for him (possible flush), so I kept going and cleaned him out.

I actually could have raised him a bit more than I did...
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Old 02-17-2005, 11:26 PM #4 (permalink)  
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But in the hand that just happened, he raised and re-raised to where I started to seriously wonder if my trips would take him down. But I couldn't see anything on the board for him (possible flush), so I kept going and cleaned him out.

I actually could have raised him a bit more than I did...
Did you post the wrong hand?
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Old 02-17-2005, 11:26 PM #5 (permalink)  

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But in the hand that just happened, he raised and re-raised to where I started to seriously wonder if my trips would take him down. But I couldn't see anything on the board for him (possible flush), so I kept going and cleaned him out.

I actually could have raised him a bit more than I did...
Did you post the wrong hand?
No, I mean one that occurred after I posted this one, sorry.
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Old 02-17-2005, 11:39 PM #6 (permalink)  

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To clarify, he was so passive with that great hand that when he started raising the hell out of me shortly afterwards, he almost psyched me out.

Trying to talk and play poker at the same time is tripping me up.
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Old 02-17-2005, 11:47 PM #7 (permalink)  
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i check the river after raising flop and betting turn with mid pair top kicker.
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Old 02-17-2005, 11:51 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Preflop: Fnord is UTG with J, A.
Fnord calls, 4 folds, CO calls, Button calls, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: (4.33 SB) 7, J, 4 (4 players)
BB checks, Fnord bets, CO calls, Button calls, BB calls.

Turn: (4.16 BB) 9 (4 players)
BB checks, Fnord bets, CO calls, Button calls, BB calls.

River: (8.16 BB) K (4 players)
BB checks, Fnord checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 8.16 BB

Results in white below:
BB has 6s 5c (high card, king).
Fnord has Jc Ad (one pair, jacks).
CO has 8h Jd (one pair, jacks).
Button has As 8s (high card, ace).
Outcome: Fnord wins 8.16 BB.
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Old 02-18-2005, 12:00 AM #9 (permalink)  
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ill add one too

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, 9.
Hero calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 4 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 9, K, 7 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 3 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, SB calls.

River: (6.50 BB) 4 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks.

Final Pot: 6.50 BB
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Old 02-18-2005, 08:24 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Re: ShotFrog's AJs hand:

Wouldn't checking behind on the Turn be an option too? The opponent did come out betting on the flop. Or, is taking over the betting the best play in hopes of getting TPG(T)K to lay down their hand on the turn. We all know that we wouldn't lay our TPG(T)K down.

These are precisely the kind of hands that I feel my over-aggression costs me money on. Cuz' I probably would have played it the same way too. But again, I think I have an over-aggression problem that is a serious leak that I'm working on.

Hearing Fnord say he admires ShotFrog's fearlessness doesn't help me with my aggression problem! Hey al'cy .... wanna drink?!

Seriously though .... I do tend to cost myself money in exactly these kind of hands .... I often take over the betting lead on the flop only to be called down by a more passive player or calling station players.

Anyone have any advice on how to temper my aggressive tendencies?
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Old 02-18-2005, 08:39 PM #11 (permalink)  

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Well, it's fearlessness when it works...

Edit: Wait a minute, it didn't even work. WTF am I talking about.
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Old 02-18-2005, 08:40 PM #12 (permalink)  

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River bet is pretty thin, but I admire your fearlessness. Every other street is perfect.
I'm new at this, so forgive if this is a silly question. Why is the river bet thin? Is it because a third diamond came on the river? I think I'd have bet this river since he stopped playing back at me.

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