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bigspenda73
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08-15-2006, 06:30 AM
Post subject: Advice on playing against the table Maniac.
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jul 2006
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So Im slummin along today at the low limits and it seems that every table I arrive at there is a table maniac. This guy raises every hand preflop, cbets all streets and basically never moves his finger off of F3. I really struggled with this player. Anyone have any previous experience with this type of player. What do you do, wait for a monster and your turn against him. I laid down a lot of hands PF that I would normally open raise with b/c he was in the back of my mind. I did not feel like opening with AJ, getting 3bet, then having to face a cbet on a ragged flop time and time again.
Any help would be appreciated. I just don't understand how someone else's poor play could be a leak of mine. Prolly just means I suck more than I think I do.
One extra note--just play 1k hands today for the first time ever in one session. Ran bad, played worse, ended up just in the Red. However, I took a break, refocused and killed a two table hour long session for 30BBs.
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TerryToma
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Edit sorry it is late and I'm tired. I should not have posted the following response, as it applies to my experience vs no-limit AND full ring! Holy cow am I tired. I will keep it just as food for thought, perhaps you can adapt some of this to limit/short handed. I think some of the basic theory may apply.
Great question.. I usually break even against this type of player. At first I dont realize they are a table maniac and I lose a stack to their random 2 pair. Then I adapt and win my money back.
For example, this one guy was making a killing (160$ at 25NL) raising EVERY pre-flop to 2$, and cbetting 5$ every flop. Good players/regulars were actually dumb enough to limp into him. Then they would fold.
I decided to limp my AA in EP with him to act behind me. Then I reraised to 15$ (leaving elss than 1/2 stack behind). I pushed the flop no matter what it was. He called. It turned out well for me and I got my stack back from earlier.
Other things are to limp hands you would normally raise knowing that he will put in a raise behind you. Then you can just call or reraisie depending on who else is in the hand.
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midas06
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: NZ
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see flops for cheap, let him spew into you
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Vrax
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: Poland
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Hammer him with decent hands or let him hang himself. Whatever you prefer. Don't be afraid to play for stacks with good non AA-KK hands.
edit: I just realized that it's question for dealing with LHE maniacs. Hammer no goot  Only "rope'n'dope" and "pissing contest" are handy.
If it's true maniac then isolate him with 3-bet light (be wary of tight cold callers) , then in HU calldown with any marginal hand and if you have decent hand you can be more aggressive as against standard player with bets and raises on expensive streets. It may feel weirdo to put 3rd bet with Ace high then capping middle pair on flop but it pays off if rour read is right. Against maniac you can pump more bets into the pot and reopen the betting with slightly weaker hands for pure value. If turn or river cards cripple strength of your hand then slow down.
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Xanadu
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Join Date: May 2005
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There have been quite a few threads dealing with playing against maniacs. Here is a recent one that turned into a maniac discussion:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ghlight=maniac
This is FR, so all does not necessarily apply. There have also been discussions in the short forum.
To me, playing the maniac shorthanded means getting a seat to his left so you have position on him most hands and you can iso-raise. There are benefits to having the maniac on your left, but these are reduced at a short table. The benefits of position increase on a short table against the maniac. The second key to playing the maniac at a short game is to get a read on his post-flop play. There are several styles of maniac, and getting a read multiplies your profit quite a bit. For example, some maniacs will back off in the face of aggression at some point in a hand. Others can't resist a raise war.
You must also watch out for super-aggressive players that are very strong post flop. Some quite strong players will play sh with a pfr over 30%. Although their play preflop is too loose, they can be very dangerous opponents and cannot be played the same as a true maniac.
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elipsesjeff
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Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Northern Virginia
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I like to reraise to isolate with all kinds of crap. Any blind stealable pretty much becomes an insta 3-bet and if you have position it really helps. If he likes to bet/cap and all that sorts just flop a pair and call him down.
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