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stuck

04-20-2005, 08:15 PM Post subject: AA vs flopped trips

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So I'm mining PT at the moment looking over old hands for leaks. A few of these I'm rather disgusted in my play, so let's criticize. Tell me where/if I should have folded these, or stopped raising, or could have saved a bet, or whatever.

Here are a few I'm putting up for review:

Hand 1: probably should have slowed down on the turn...

Party Poker (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with :As:, :Ac:.
3 folds, MP2 calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (8 SB)

, :Th:,

(4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, SB calls, BB folds, MP2 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (10 BB) :Jc: (3 players)
SB checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, SB folds, MP2 3-bets, Hero calls.

River: (16 BB)

(2 players)
MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 18 BB

Results in white below:
MP2 has Td Tc (three of a kind, tens).
Hero has As Ac (one pair, aces).
Outcome: MP2 wins 18 BB.

Hand 2: probably either should have waited to pop on the turn (if no club), or slowed down on the turn after he led after my cap..

PokerStars (4 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with :Ac:, :As:.
1 fold, Hero raises, SB calls, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12 SB)

, :Qc:,

(3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, SB calls, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (12 BB)

(3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, SB calls, BB 3-bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

River: (21 BB) :Ks: (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 24 BB

Results in white below:
SB has Kc 8c (one pair, kings).
BB has 6s 6d (three of a kind, sixes).
Hero has Ac As (one pair, aces).
Outcome: BB wins 24 BB.

Hand 3: probably should have 3-bet the flop, fold turn if capped or check through turn if called...

Absolute Poker (4 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with :Ac:, :Ah:. UTG posts a blind of $1.
UTG (poster) checks, Hero raises, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls.

Flop: (7 SB) :Qs:,

(3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, SB raises, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB)

(2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (7.25 BB)

(2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.25 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Ac Ah (two pair, aces and nines).
SB has 5h 9h (full house, nines full of fives).
Outcome: SB wins 9.25 BB.

Hand 4:

Party Poker (6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP with :As:, :Ad:.
UTG calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB)

(3 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, Button folds, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB)

(2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

River: (8.75 BB)

(2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.75 BB

Results in white below:
UTG has 8h 6h (three of a kind, eights).
Hero has As Ad (two pair, aces and eights).
Outcome: UTG wins 10.75 BB.

Hand 5: Should have folded this one on the river... I doubt I'm good often enough to be profitable

Absolute Poker (5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with :Ac:, :Ah:.
UTG raises, MP calls, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG caps, MP calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13 SB) :Qh:,

(3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, MP calls, Hero raises, UTG calls $2 (All-In), MP calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB)

(3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets, MP calls.

River: (11.50 BB) :Qd: (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero checks, MP bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB

Results in white below:
UTG has Kd Kc (two pair, kings and queens).
MP has Qs Tc (full house, queens full of nines).
Hero has Ac Ah (two pair, aces and queens).
Outcome: MP wins 13.50 BB.

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Demiparadigm

04-20-2005, 11:03 PM

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I play all 5 the same.
Just because you lost doesn't mean you should become passive with AA.

To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.

Shark Bait

04-20-2005, 11:35 PM

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Well none of them had flush possibilities, and only a couple even had a chance for a straight, so I think you've done it right by betting/raising almost every time.

stuck

04-21-2005, 12:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Demiparadigm

I play all 5 the same.
Just because you lost doesn't mean you should become passive with AA.

I don't mean I should become passive with these. I'm just wondering if there's a leak in there. I'm not particularly not happy with that last river call.

But, yeah. just floating it out here. Wondering if I could/should have saved a bet somewhere.

If I had a hammer
I'd drop in the morning
I'd drop in the evening..

honsheung

04-21-2005, 05:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stuck

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demiparadigm

I play all 5 the same.
Just because you lost doesn't mean you should become passive with AA.

what do you mean? you mean you want to raise in river in the above 5hands?

I think if you get actions like these , it is better to call in river than a raise.

stuck

04-21-2005, 06:35 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by honsheung

Quote:

Originally Posted by stuck

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demiparadigm

I play all 5 the same.
Just because you lost doesn't mean you should become passive with AA.

what do you mean? you mean you want to raise in river in the above 5hands?

I think if you get actions like these , it is better to call in river than a raise.

I mean, fold the river. I wonder if I'm good on the last hand even 10% of the time.

If I had a hammer
I'd drop in the morning
I'd drop in the evening..

stuck

04-21-2005, 06:45 AM

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Absolute Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with :Ad:, :Ah:.
3 folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) :Qc:, :Jd:,

(3 players)
SB bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, BB caps, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: (8 BB)

(3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, SB calls, BB 3-bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

River: (16 BB) :Qs: (3 players)

Do you think I'm good here?

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I'd drop in the morning
I'd drop in the evening..

Demiparadigm

04-21-2005, 10:10 AM

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No. fold.

This hand is slightly different than the 5 above, because of the action.

In hand 5 you could also fold, though I will often call for information. I agree that you have the best hand less than the 8% of the time that you need to call, but that % plus getting to see your opponents cards makes it a profitable call in my opinion.

To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.

honsheung

04-21-2005, 10:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stuck

Absolute Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with :Ad:, :Ah:.
3 folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) :Qc:, :Jd:,

(3 players)
SB bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, BB caps, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: (8 BB)

(3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, SB calls, BB 3-bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

River: (16 BB) :Qs: (3 players)

Do you think I'm good here?

very danagerous postion for you AA
but if one big bet, I will call down , he may have kk

ChezJ

04-21-2005, 04:51 PM

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if you cap the flop with your overpair and someone keeps firing INTO you on the turn, you have to put him on 2pr or a set. unless he is a true maniac. i've been learning this the hard way. one pair just isn't worth 3-betting/capping the turn.

ChezJ

stuck

04-21-2005, 06:03 PM

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...
River: (16 BB) :Qs: (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 16 BB

Results:
SB has Jh Th (two pair, queens and jacks).
BB doesn't show.
Hero has Ad Ah (two pair, aces and queens).
Outcome: Hero wins 16 BB.

I'm guessing BB had clubs or something.

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I'd drop in the morning
I'd drop in the evening..

lonnie

04-21-2005, 07:59 PM

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Quote:

one pair just isn't worth 3-betting/capping the turn.

Amen.

I've been seeing more and more HH where people are 3 betting the turn with one pair. Your read better be pretty damn good to make that play. ESPECIALLY when you are swimming with fishes. They don't like to raise, they like to call. When they raise they have at least a 3 or 4 card hand, not a 2 card hand.

Limit is a lot less stressful when you are a maniac preflop and flop and play sensibly on the turn and river. Those BB's don't come easy, don't spew them on mediocre hands.

Grand_MasterB

04-21-2005, 08:06 PM

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gotta know something is up in hand one... people just dont normally push action this hard INTO the original aggressor with just TPTK.. especially when the turn comes a J giving him a possible two pair with TJ, i would definaltey think atleast two pair, maybe trips. Hard to get away from though

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