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Old 04-16-2006, 08:40 PM     Post subject: AA played poorly? #1 (permalink)  
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 0.25/0.50 Limit Holdem

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Dealt to me: A A
4 folds, CO limps, Hero raises, SB calls, BB folds, CO calls

Flop: 5 T 4
SB checks, CO bets, Hero raises, SB calls, CO 3-bets, Hero calls, SB calls

Turn: 2
SB checks, CO bets, Hero calls, SB folds

River: 5
CO bets, Hero calls

Does the 3-bet on the flop signify that AA is behind or is AA still a likely favorite?
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Old 04-16-2006, 09:18 PM #2 (permalink)  
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We can't tell whether we're ahead here or not. We need more information.

Thats why we cap the flop and see what he does on the turn. The half-bet you give up when behind is more than made up for by the information gained about his hand.

If he leads the turn after being capped, youre *probably* behind, unless he's maniacal and would lead a ten here.If he just calls, youre definitely ahead (probably holding AT, KT), and if he check-raises, you're way behind.
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Old 04-16-2006, 09:37 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 That makes a lot of sense, I just wasn't sure how to approach it. Thanks
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Old 04-17-2006, 10:10 AM #4 (permalink)  
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It really depends on what I think of the CO.

I can see just calling the 3-bet and popping it again on the turn or just cap it on the flop.
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Old 04-17-2006, 07:17 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 Okay another question that I just thought of:

If we were on the flop in the same situation as the CO, and we had QTo, should we 3-bet the flop to gain information about our hand, or can we pretty much assume we're behind? What about ATo?

Edit: Also, this hand seems like a place where having some sort of read or idea of the player's skill level makes a big difference in EV.
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Old 04-17-2006, 07:39 PM #6 (permalink)  
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If we were CO, threebetting is probably correct.

It always helps to have a read :]
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Old 05-16-2006, 04:23 AM #7 (permalink)  
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It's a tricky hand. I think it's one of those cases where several lines are pretty much equally good.

I think you should probably raise the turn here. Your opponent probably has 10s with a good kicker. Maybe he has a set of fours or fives or 54s, but I doubt it. You set a nice little trap by letting him think you're weak by calling, then you raise for value. It has the side benefit of knocking out the SB (by the way, if the SB calls, you know he has a flush draw).

If the board were scarier, like JT5, QJ5 or something, you're probably in trouble to two pair and you should call it down. However, that five pairing almost certainly gives you the best hand again, so you'd raise the river for value. Unless he limped with T5 (and I've seen weirder; I was recently beaten by someone who called me with T3o), you'll have just pulled ahead again.
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