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Old 10-29-2007, 02:58 PM     Post subject: AA interesting spot #1 (permalink)  
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I have a feeling I played this too passively and left money on the table in cases where I'm ahead.

Villain is 29/29/17 over only 17 hands but I haven't noticed him getting out of line.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, A.
Hero raises, 2 folds, MP1 3-bets, 6 folds, Hero caps, MP1 calls.

My first thoughts here were standard AK/KK/QQ and possibly JJ

Flop: (9.50 SB) 8, J, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP1 caps, Hero calls.

With the capping here I'm figuring pocket pair is most likely with either a set or overpair in his hands. With AA and the nut flush draw I'm not unhappy with the capping as I could be as I'm really feeling JJ is his hand..I am not worried about a made flush as I don't see him capping a UTG raiser with something like KQ/JTs.

Turn: (8.75 BB) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls.

With the board pairing and my read on him having JJ most likely, my flush draw has gone way down in value so here I decide to go into check/call mode. I possibly should have raised here (or led out) but I didn't know what I'd do to a raise so I went with the safest option...would like opinions on that.

River: (10.75 BB) T (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls.

Same reasoning as above. I doubt he has the made flush, I have any two pair beat with aces up but I am worried he has boated me. I know I'll get shown something like AJ a bit of the time, KK with the K , QQ with same etc but if I led or raised him here I'd have to call a raise back and I'm not sure if that would be spew at these limits.

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Old 10-29-2007, 03:12 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I raise the river and make a crying call to a 3-bet
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Old 10-29-2007, 06:08 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 I bet-call the turn and then bet or check-call unimproved on the river if I was raised on the turn.
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Old 10-31-2007, 08:10 AM #4 (permalink)  
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What's the old addage?

If you're going to call the river, you ought to consider raising on the turn.

I think this is one of those spots that it may be worthy of application of that saying.

edit--Which incidentally makes Kornholio's play the correct one through that particular filter.
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Thanks for the replies guys, andf can see the reasoning for raising the turn then c/c the river if he re-raises.

If we c/r the turn and he just calls do we then bet/call the river?

fwiw he has A K
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Old 10-31-2007, 06:55 PM #6 (permalink)  
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What's the old addage?

If you're going to call the river, you ought to consider raising on the turn.

I think this is one of those spots that it may be worthy of application of that saying.

edit--Which incidentally makes Kornholio's play the correct one through that particular filter.
That addage of raise the turn/check the river ("free" showdown) only really applies when we are in position. If we are out of position we need to check raise, and then check and hope he doesn't bet the river .

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If we c/r the turn and he just calls do we then bet/call the river?
Yep. Although I prefer bet-call on the turn since it's quite likely he has something like QJ/KJ/QQ/KK with one club. Make him pay to see that river because he isn't folding. Plus if he hits that 4th club he might not pin us on the Ac and we make an extra bet on the river as well.
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Old 10-31-2007, 07:28 PM #7 (permalink)  
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You played it fine, though I agree with bet/calling the turn. Can't put villain squarely on JJ, could easily be pumping his draw while drawing nearly dead.
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What's the old addage?

If you're going to call the river, you ought to consider raising on the turn.

I think this is one of those spots that it may be worthy of application of that saying.

edit--Which incidentally makes Kornholio's play the correct one through that particular filter.
That addage of raise the turn/check the river ("free" showdown) only really applies when we are in position. If we are out of position we need to check raise, and then check and hope he doesn't bet the river (/quote]


Wait... Ken Warren is pretty apt to point out in his writings that in position it's a raise, and when you're OOP it's simply leading out.

I'm not 100% certain that your only goal is a free showdown with that old saying.
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