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Old 09-13-2005, 06:10 AM     Post subject: AA hand v LPP #1 (permalink)  
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Read on UTG: 72 hands | 58.33 VP$IP | 87.50 VP$IPSB | 2.78 PFR
Argo Factors: 0.62 flop | 0.85 Turn | 1.67 River | 0.85 total

Would you call this down? If Yes Why? I will not pay much attention to anyone giving a short answer that doesn't involve some actual thinking...

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Preflop: pkrfanatic is MP1 with A, A.
UTG calls, 1 fold, pkrfanatic raises, 3 folds, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) Q, 4, T (3 players)
UTG bets, pkrfanatic raises, Button folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) Q (2 players)
UTG checks, pkrfanatic bets, UTG raises, pkrfanatic ...
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Old 09-13-2005, 10:13 AM #2 (permalink)  
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I call down against most opponents online, especially at 5/10 and above.

Against this guy with these stats, you are looking at 2 outs.
To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.
 
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 I'm calling this down, I think you will min more than 20% of the time. Theres also a reason why I win so much with having a 37 WSD with a 54 W$SD.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A, A.
4 folds, Button raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, Button caps, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.66 SB) J, 7, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Turn: (5.33 BB) J (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

River: (9.33 BB) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.33 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Ah As (two pair, aces and jacks).
Button has Kd Kc (two pair, kings and jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins 11.33 BB.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (6 max, 7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, A.
2 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.66 SB) 6, 9, Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.33 BB) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

River: (7.33 BB) 9 (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.33 BB

Results in white below:
BB has Qh 6c (two pair, queens and nines).
Hero has As Ac (two pair, aces and nines).
Outcome: Hero wins 9.33 BB.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, A.
Hero raises, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 6 folds.

Flop: (5.66 SB) 9, 9, 7 (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP1 caps, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.83 BB) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls.

River: (8.83 BB) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 10.83 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Ad Ac (two pair, aces and nines).
MP1 has 4h 4d (two pair, nines and fours).
Outcome: Hero wins 10.83 BB.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, A. CO posts a blind of $15.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 raises, Hero 3-bets, CO (poster) calls, 3 folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls.

Flop: (12.66 SB) 8, 2, J (3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets, CO calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (7.83 BB) 7 (3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets, CO calls, MP1 raises, Hero 3-bets, CO calls, MP1 calls.

River: (16.83 BB) 5 (3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets, CO calls, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 19.83 BB

Results in white below:
MP1 has Ks Kd (one pair, kings).
Hero has As Ac (one pair, aces).
CO has Js 9d (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins 19.83 BB.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, A.
3 folds, MP2 raises, 2 folds, Button 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls, MP2 caps, Button calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (12.66 SB) 8, 9, T (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, MP2 caps, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (12.33 BB) T (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls, Button folds.

River: (14.33 BB) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 16.33 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Ac As (two pair, aces and tens).
MP2 has Qc Qh (two pair, queens and tens).
Outcome: Hero wins 16.33 BB.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, A.
2 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 2, J, 3 (3 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero raises, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 5 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Ac As (two pair, aces and twos).
SB has Jc Kh (two pair, jacks and twos).
Outcome: Hero wins 11.50 BB.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, A.
Hero raises, 2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12 SB) T, 3, 4 (6 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, MP1 calls, MP3 folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (9 BB) 4 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP1 raises, BB folds, Hero calls.

River: (13 BB) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks.

Final Pot: 13 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Ac As (two pair, aces and fours).
MP1 has 2h 2s (two pair, fours and twos).
Outcome: Hero wins 13 BB.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A, A.
8 folds, SB completes, Hero raises, SB calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 6, 8, K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Turn: (3 BB) K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero calls.

River: (7 BB) 5 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9 BB

Results in white below:
SB has 8c Qd (two pair, kings and eights).
Hero has As Ac (two pair, aces and kings).
Outcome: Hero wins 9 BB.


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Old 09-13-2005, 06:21 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Jeff you want me to list the things diffrent with the hands you post and mine starting with the limits they are?
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Old 09-13-2005, 06:27 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by pokerfanatic01
Jeff you want me to list the things diffrent with the hands you post and mine starting with the limits they are?
In general, more aggro play. Jeff couldn't fold a hand like your in his game. As-is, I'm on the fence. It looks a lot like loose/passive with Qx.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
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Old 09-13-2005, 07:04 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, A.
1 fold, MP1 calls, 4 folds, Hero raises, MP1 calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 7, Q, 5 (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) A (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, Hero calls.

River: (7.25 BB) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.25 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Kh Ad (two pair, aces and fives).
MP1 has Ks Kc (two pair, kings and fives).
Outcome: Hero wins 9.25 BB.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K.
4 folds, Button raises, SB calls, Hero 3-bets, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 7, A, 2 (3 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 8 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, Button raises, SB folds, Hero calls.

River: (11.50 BB) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Ad Ks (one pair, aces).
Button has Td Ac (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins 13.50 BB.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, K.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 7 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (2.50 SB) 8, J, K (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (2.25 BB) K (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero calls.

River: (6.25 BB) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.25 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has 9h Kh (three of a kind, kings).
UTG+1 has 6h Ad (two pair, kings and sixes).
Outcome: Hero wins 8.25 BB.
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, 4.
4 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero checks.

Flop: (4.50 SB) Q, 2, K (4 players)
Hero bets, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Button raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) J (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.25 BB) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.25 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Ks 4s (two pair, kings and queens).
Button has Ah 6h (one pair, queens).
Outcome: Hero wins 8.25 BB.

Fuck, while I'm posting hands:

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Preflop: Hero is Button with J, J.
6 folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) K, A, 8 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: (4 BB) T (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: (4 BB) T (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 6 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Js Jd (two pair, jacks and tens).
SB has Jh 9s (one pair, tens).
Outcome: Hero wins 6 BB.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with 5, 5.
UTG calls, 3 folds, MP3 calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 2, 4, 2 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB folds, UTG folds, MP3 folds.

Turn: (6 BB) 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: (6 BB) T (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8 BB

Results in white below:
SB has 3d Qh (one pair, twos).
Hero has 5h 5c (two pair, fives and twos).
Outcome: Hero wins 8 BB.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 9, A.
1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (7 SB) 9, K, 4 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, CO folds, SB calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: (4.50 BB) 2 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 6.50 BB

Results in white below:
SB has 7d Qd (one pair, twos).
Hero has 9d Ah (two pair, nines and twos).
Outcome: Hero wins 6.50 BB.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q. MP3 posts a blind of $3.
UTG =#A500AF(Mike4066)/ calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP3 (poster) checks, 1 fold, Button calls, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG =#A500AF(Mike4066)/ calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls, Button calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) Q, 5, 8 (6 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Mike4066 calls, UTG+1 3-bets, MP3 calls, Button folds, Hero calls, BB calls, Mike4066 caps, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (16.25 BB) J (5 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Mike4066 calls, UTG+1 raises, MP3 calls, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, Mike4066 calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 folds.

River: (30.25 BB) 8 (4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, Mike4066 folds, UTG+1 raises, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, UTG+1 caps, Hero calls, BB calls.

Final Pot: 42.25 BB

Results in white below:
BB has Qh Ks (two pair, queens and eights).
UTG+1 has 8s 8c (four of a kind, eights).
Hero has Qs Qc (full house, queens full of eights).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins 42.25 BB.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, A.
Hero raises, 5 folds, SB calls, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 7, Q, 6 (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls $24 (All-In), Hero 3-bets, SB calls.

Turn: (10.90 BB) 3 (3 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

River: (12.90 BB) 5 (3 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 16.90 BB

Results in white below:
SB has 4s 8c (straight, four to eight)
BB has Ac Jh (high card, ace).
Hero has Ah As (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins 16.90 BB.


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Old 09-13-2005, 11:12 PM #7 (permalink)  
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In the hands you posted you gave no reads and none of them present as strong of a betting pattern suggesting we're beat. The flop donkbet and turn check/raise is a pretty strong signal that we're either dealing with an aggro donk or are smoked. Given his numbers, we're smoked here often enough to let this one go...
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In the hands you posted you gave no reads and none of them present as strong of a betting pattern suggesting we're beat. The flop donkbet and turn check/raise is a pretty strong signal that we're either dealing with an aggro donk or are smoked. Given his numbers, we're smoked here often enough to let this one go...
Thats the thing, you dont need reads at this level, the hands I posted above I was 8 tabling the entire time. I played them straight up and still was able to make the right play. Just like the eyes can deceive you you can't let the stats dictate every play, especially some inconsistancies that Poker Edge has.

Fanatic always says 'i play more by read than by the numbers' and now he's playing by the numbers. It would hardly be a leak in my opinion to always Call down with JJ, QQ, KK, or AA when you are HU.


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Fanatic always says 'i play more by read than by the numbers' and now he's playing by the numbers. It would hardly be a leak in my opinion to always Call down with JJ, QQ, KK, or AA when you are HU.
*nod*

I try to play better though...
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