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DeanCarl
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04-20-2005, 07:08 PM
Post subject: A2suited.
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How do you guys view this starting hand. As a small suited connector or as high/low rags?
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lonnie
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I use Fnord's advice - play it for a limp if 2 callers have limped in ahead of you. You're obviously playing for a flush or as a bad ace if you pair up in position. Straight value is pretty crappy with this hand. You will always be on the suckah end of the straight and chasing a 4 outer at that.
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whileone
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flush draw. you want around 6 to 1 to call it. (don't forget implied odds) no kicker can make a paired ace tough to play. if you pair the 2 this is practicaly a fold, unless you're heads up. everything is a freakn' scare card to a pair of ducks.
I limp it mid to late, and the sb. if it's raised you can call with the 6 to 1 odds.
if you don't hit a four flush or 2 pair on the flop, let it go. the you can only get gutshot draws so that's not what you're looking for pre flop, but don't forget to count the outs if a 5 and a 3 show up on the flop.
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honsheung
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04-20-2005, 07:23 PM
Post subject: Re: A2suited.
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Originally Posted by DeanCarl
How do you guys view this starting hand. As a small suited connector or as high/low rags?
Dean
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how many handed table?
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Trikflow77
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I use Fnord's advice - play it for a limp if 2 callers have limped in ahead of you. You're obviously playing for a flush or as a bad ace if you pair up in position. Straight value is pretty crappy with this hand. You will always be on the suckah end of the straight and chasing a 4 outer at that.
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I kinda play it that way, but I think about my position more than the limpers. If the first 2 players UTG limp, I am not going to call a bet with Axs from MP1 or MP2. I also raise these hands as a steal from late postion if i am opening, and will raise a late limper at times because a lot of times they have garbage. But in general dont open limp or limp behind 1 limper, you dont get the implied odds. If you dont have the post flop skills to play a weak ace, I wouldnt play them unless the pot is 5-6 handed.
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Trikflow77
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lonnie
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If the first 2 players UTG limp, I am not going to call a bet with Axs from MP1 or MP2.
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Hmmm...this is probably pretty close EV wise. What would stop you from limping in this spot? If someone raises behind you, the BB will find it irrestible to call with almost anything, the first two limpers will call and you will call. That's 5 way action at least with a great multi-way starting hand. That's why I like the 2 limper in front rule for Axs. I could definitely see running into problems if you are unable to lay down the dry ace when it pairs.
Axs is definitely one of the trickiest hands in limit.
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LeFou
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Originally Posted by trikflow77
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I never played much 6max. Is this a muck in that case? I mean don't forget you've got an ace...
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Shark Bait
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I'm no pro, but this is what I do with A2s...
limp in on the button, maybe CO, but instant fold if someone raises. If I don't get 4 to the flush on the flop, I'm check/folding. Pairing the ace is almost meaningless and can cost you. If you pair both cards, then it's worth staying in, but that's even more unlikely to happen. When you see the flop, just admit to yourself you tried for the flush, but it's just not going to happen, OR go for it if you have 4 to the flush.
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Trikflow77
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Hmmm...this is probably pretty close EV wise. What would stop you from limping in this spot? If someone raises behind you, the BB will find it irrestible to call with almost anything, the first two limpers will call and you will call. That's 5 way action at least with a great multi-way starting hand. That's why I like the 2 limper in front rule for Axs. I could definitely see running into problems if you are unable to lay down the dry ace when it pairs.
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A raise behind you kills your plan to get into the hand cheap, yes you will get good immediate odds on the call but you dont flop a flops draw often enough to make this profitable. Its the same with pocket pairs. Investing two bets is not profitable, it is negitive EV unless you have position, which you wont.The big blind is not always going to call the raise either. And the raise preflop ties you to at least a flop call if you do flop an ace fishing for the kicker.
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Demiparadigm
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I limp from MP/LP regardless of how many players are in. The more players the higher your implied odds for a flush are, but the lower your odds of winning with A high/ one pair.
I Raise on CO/Button if folded to me. This hand is much better than a random hand in the blinds.
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To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.
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Demiparadigm
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Quick note: it is almost always incorrect to fold for one more bet pre flop once you have already invested money inthe pot.
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To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.
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aleksandr
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Dem;
Negranu said it best: "The only time you get action on these hands is when you're beat." You're playing to flop the low straight, the flush draw, or the low straight flush draw.
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honsheung
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For a 10handed table
Limp when there are at least two limpers before me. Otherwise fold.
Never Raise.
Play when hit a four flush , trip a , trip 2. Otherwise fold.
If tirp A get action in fold or afterwards, fold.
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Eric
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I limp with it. If there is no flush or bicycle draw after the flop then there is a good chance I'll lay it down.
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ChezJ
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this hand is almost unplayable. other than flopping a flush draw, which is something like 11:1, your best hope is to flop two deuces. too few outs to play this anywhere except LP.
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HeavyP
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So this happened to me earlier today at 3/6 at pacific poker. I'm wondering how you everyone would have played it.. Sorry I'm too lazy to dig up the actual hand history (actually does pacific even have that?)
I get dealt :Ac:  and am on the button. This is my 3rd hand at the table, but the % seeing the flop is over 50. Everyone limps until 1 before the button, so I limp SB completes and BB checks.
FLOP:   
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, calls around to me, I raise, the initial checkers call and UTG+1 3bets and the guy right after him folds, I cap. So we are seeing this pot 5 way to the turn.
TURN: 
I now have the nut flush draw and the flopped wheel, checked to UTG+1 who bets, two folds, I raise, BB calls, UTG+1 3 bets, I call and BB calls
River 
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, I call and BB folds.
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Demiparadigm
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cap the turn.
Good call on the river though, I think. the probability that you are beat (small chance. more likely UTG has AA, KK, or another set) combined with the chance that BB will over-call makes it as good as raising. A raise is fine also though.
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To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.
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honsheung
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no one has a 6?
a rasie in flop that pose a threat to me, at least
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ChezJ
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i put him on 55 for the set. but the danger of being on the ass end of the straight (which prevented your raises on the turn and river) is the very reason i said A2s is almost unplayable.
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honsheung
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Straight
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Originally Posted by ChezJ
i put him on 55 for the set. but the danger of being on the ass end of the straight (which prevented your raises on the turn and river) is the very reason i said A2s is almost unplayable.
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if not many peopls see the flop and no one raise in turn or river, i will consider a a-5 straight enough to win the hand
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HeavyP
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Anyone want to know the results or should I post this hand in it's own thread and wait for a lil bit before posting them?
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