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02-28-2006, 11:31 PM
Post subject: A2s on a steal
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4-of-a-Kind
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A2s on CO, open raise
button folds, SB folds
tap calls in the BB
flop comes 9c Jc Kh
BB bets, i call
turn comes Td
BB bets, i raise...
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elipsesjeff
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I fold preflop, then on the turn again too.
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bencathers
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BB calls. BB check/calls river
Why not raise flop?
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Dealer: bencathers has two pair, Aces and Deuces
Dealer: Tbags has two pair, Kings and Jacks
Dealer: Tbags finished the tournament in 256th place
Tbags [observer]: another scumbag gets there on this site lol
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Originally Posted by bencathers
Why not raise flop?
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i felt the board was a little too scary/coordinated to try and represent it, because it's very likely his defending range will hit one of those cards. his bet was for value. when the uber scary card fell on the turn, i figured that it was a good opportunity to bluff at this tight player.
he 3bet the turn on me...hero...
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elipsesjeff
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You realize you don't have to win EVERY hand right? He caught you stealing, you bricked, give it up.
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
You realize you don't have to win EVERY hand right? He caught you stealing, you bricked, give it up.
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heheh true enough....now is 8:1 good enough to call to the A high straight?
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elipsesjeff
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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
You realize you don't have to win EVERY hand right? He caught you stealing, you bricked, give it up.
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heheh true enough....now is 8:1 good enough to call to the A high straight? |
Unfortunately, you have the odds to call for your straight, as you 'gave' yourself odds to call given all the other action.
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StinkyBeaver
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I don't mind the preflop steal all that much.
How on earth can you call a flop bet here. I guess you have 3 outs to an A and 1.5 to a backdoor, but thats never gonna be enough in my book. If you want to continue it's a raise/fold IMO and you can't raise it either.
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calling the flop was more for metagame purposes.
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elipsesjeff
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Originally Posted by StinkyBeaver
I don't mind the preflop steal all that much.
How on earth can you call a flop bet here. I guess you have 3 outs to an A and 1.5 to a backdoor, but thats never gonna be enough in my book. If you want to continue it's a raise/fold IMO and you can't raise it either.
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Stealing with hands that have a 2 or a 3 in them is just asking for trouble. This includes 22 and 33.
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
Stealing with hands that have a 2 or a 3 in them is just asking for trouble. This includes 22 and 33.
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44 g00t?
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
Stealing with hands that have a 2 or a 3 in them is just asking for trouble. This includes 22 and 33.
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44 g00t? |
I usually will steal with it, but folding wouldn't be a sin either.
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Originally Posted by StinkyBeaver
I don't mind the preflop steal all that much.
How on earth can you call a flop bet here. I guess you have 3 outs to an A and 1.5 to a backdoor, but thats never gonna be enough in my book. If you want to continue it's a raise/fold IMO and you can't raise it either.
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Stealing with hands that have a 2 or a 3 in them is just asking for trouble. This includes 22 and 33. |
Yeah It's not like I'm doing it either, (I've finally started to like the 21/16 style and doing ok also  ) But if you play goot it's not all that bad to steal with any ace provided you are at the button and the blinds are fairly tight.
@Hyper. If you call for metagame, why not raise for metagame and make him fold his nine or take a free card on the turn to a gutshot + A's. I don't think calling a flop for metagame will do us good if we are gonna fold turn UI most of the time. I'd rather have him think that I can fold for one SB and have him bet more hands, which will send me into sneaky mode  and just call when I hit my top pair and all of a sudden you have this villian betting into you on the turn and you take another look at your hand. Yup it's still there TPTK $$$$ 
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i dont know what stakes you're up to now hyper, but even when I play $5-10 I don't feel the need for much metagame..
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take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
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this is 5/10.
so far, i've been a pretty "passive" blind player, in that i'm passive in the early streets, but i'll be more willing to put in bets in the big streets, figuring that i have more fold equity. i'm gonna try fast playing earlier, because it seems like there are more advantages...you get to show much more aggression, at the same cost, although you put in more "bets."
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