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Fnord

05-20-2005, 12:22 PM Post subject: 99 unimproved in a big pot, how's my line?

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MP3 looks like he's kinda aware, everyone else sucks.

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Preflop: Fnord is MP2 with 9

, 9

. CO posts a blind of $3.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, Fnord raises, MP3 calls, CO (poster) calls, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (12.33 SB) 6

, 2

, 4

(6 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Fnord bets, MP3 raises, CO folds, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, Fnord calls.

Turn: (10.16 BB) T

(4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Fnord checks, MP3 bets, BB calls, UTG calls, Fnord raises...

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Phyl

05-20-2005, 12:28 PM

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I would 3-bet the flop.

Your line is risky, you can't be sure that MP3 will bet the turn and if he doesn't you've given a free card in a 10BB pot with an extremely vunerable hand.

I also think it makes the hand harder to play if an ugly card hits the turn. What's your turn line if a Q, K or an Ace falls?

Nehmer

05-20-2005, 01:20 PM

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I don't think I raise the turn. Nobody is going to fold at that point and there are a LOT of scary river cards since you know either BB or UTG has overcards(possibly already a T) and one probably has an inside straight draw. Add in that MP3 is likely to have a pocket pair that might or might not already have you beat....I call the turn for sure and the river too unless the river suddenly brings a ton of action.

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05-20-2005, 03:15 PM

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For me I will 3bets in flop also

lonnie

05-20-2005, 05:20 PM

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Here's a fun little 99 hand. If I can't win, at least I like making the other guy win less money.

This is the kinda stuff that happens once you are a known 'bluffer' and ALWAYS back up your PFR's with flop and turn bets.

This board is obviously bad for my hand. I just wanted to see the whole board to see if I could spike a nine on these guys.

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Preflop: Lonnie is CO with 9

, 9

.
UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, 3 folds, Lonnie raises, 3 folds, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) T

, A

, Q

(3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, Lonnie bets, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) Q

(3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, Lonnie checks.

River: (5.25 BB) T

(3 players)
UTG bets, UTG+2 calls, Lonnie folds.

Final Pot: 7.25 BB

Results in white below:
UTG has Qh As (full house, queens full of aces).
UTG+2 has Ks 8c (two pair, queens and tens).
Outcome: UTG wins 7.25 BB.

Fnord

05-20-2005, 09:42 PM

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When the flop is that ugly, sometimes I just surrender on the flop.

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05-20-2005, 10:48 PM

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Have you been acting ridiculous at this table, and has MP3 caught onto it? I have to think that unless this is the case, anything he cold called with preflop you are ahead of on the flop and it's worth a 3bet.

I don't like the turn checkraise because the donks are between you and MP3, therefore the checkraise is less likely to fold them out. I would just lead the turn.

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05-24-2005, 04:28 PM

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For me I will 3bets in flop also

You can pass the 3bet on the flop to exploit a bigger edge on the turn.

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05-24-2005, 04:49 PM

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Not crazy at all about the bet/call on the flop. I 3-bet here to see where I'm at. Also, I can't see giving him the potential freebie on the turn with the check. I bet out the turn here and see what happens.

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elipsesjeff

05-25-2005, 04:57 AM

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I'll three bet the flop also only because I dont want to give odds for anyone with two overs to call. Although I believe the T here to be a safe card for you.

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05-25-2005, 07:33 AM

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Results...

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Preflop: Fnord is MP2 with 9

, 9

. CO posts a blind of $3.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, Fnord raises, MP3 calls, CO (poster) calls, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (12.33 SB) 6

, 2

, 4

(6 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Fnord bets, MP3 raises, CO folds, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, Fnord calls.

Turn: (10.16 BB) T

(4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Fnord checks, MP3 bets, BB calls, UTG calls, Fnord raises, MP3 calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

River: (18.16 BB) 4

(4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Fnord bets, MP3 folds, BB folds, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 20.16 BB

Results:
UTG has 3c 3s (two pair, fours and threes).
Fnord has 9d 9h (two pair, nines and fours).
Outcome: Fnord wins 20.16 BB.

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