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Old 12-23-2005, 07:06 PM     Post subject: 99 against two passive opponents #1 (permalink)  
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Was this too passive a line?

Button is 70/10/0.71 (passive post-flop) after 10 hands
BB is 75/8/0.76 (passive post-flop) after 36 hands

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 9, 9.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, Hero raises, Button calls, 1 fold, BB 3-bets, UTG+1 folds, MP3 folds, Hero calls, Button calls.

Flop: (11.50 SB) T, 7, 3 (3 players)
BB bets, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) Q (3 players)
BB bets, Hero calls, Button calls.

River: (10.25 BB) 5 (3 players)
BB bets, Hero folds, Button calls.

Final Pot: 12.25 BB
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Old 12-23-2005, 07:20 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I think I muck the turn... if a < 1 AF is firing into me I know my 99 is no good he probably has 2 pair or bettor here... you probably down to 2 outs against PASSIVE players so you probably only get one or 2 bet on the river, unless he has a nut flush then he might 3 bet or cap... 8.25:1 on a 2 outer that might be draw dead = spewage...

When a < 1 AF fires into you on the flop AND the turn I think you’re WAY behind…
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Old 12-23-2005, 07:26 PM #3 (permalink)  
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On the flop I like a raise if you're going to continue.
 
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Old 12-23-2005, 07:32 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by Fnord
On the flop I like a raise if you're going to continue.
Probably right, however what is the < 1 AF donking into that pot with? I guess you got 2 outs to a set maybe and like no back door draw with a 9c not high enough to consider it... would the donk a FD here with a < 1 AF I don't think so, would you donk TPTK maybe, how about less then TP because that's all you can beat, would he donk two pair or bettor yea must likely I just think at best looking at two outs so it really would be the best play to probably fold given the odds, unless he has some sort of AA or KK and you think you can get 3 bets on the turn and river you make it on the turn in the first place...
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I flush draw, 7, 3. I really dont consider this a donk bet, he 3 bets preflop then leads on the flop, this plays a lot different than when a player in the blind calls or checks and then donks.
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Old 12-23-2005, 10:49 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I flush draw, 7, 3. I really dont consider this a donk bet, he 3 bets preflop then leads on the flop, this plays a lot different than when a player in the blind calls or checks and then donks.
ok so i used the wrong terms...

8 PFR doesn't tell me much in that department besides he only raises solid hands, but when he is still leading the flop and the turn it's eassy to put this passive of a player on and over pair or top set... was my big point, if you raise the flop and he 3 bets can you fold there or you gonna call and then c/f the turn unimproved i was trying to make the point as played he should be gone on the turn...
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Old 12-23-2005, 11:43 PM #7 (permalink)  
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I like fnord's line to get button out of the pot and to have BB define his hand more. I probably won't fold this as I pick up a flush draw on the turn which would be good enough to justify calling afterwards.


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