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pokernewb

10-04-2005, 03:37 PM Post subject: 94o from big blind in raised pot. Did I play it right?

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I was in the big blind facing a raise getting about 15-1 + huge implied odds. Should I have played 94o? What sort of odds do I need to play a nothing hand like this or 72o?

Anyway, player2 is about 50% VP$IP with PFR about 26 after 19 hands. He had raised with K4o previously from CO with one other player in the pot. The other players were all pretty loose as well.

Should I have bet the turn or checked? Should I have assumed someone else had a 4 or pocket jacks?

$1/$2 Limit Hold'em - ***
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 10: player9 ( $19.02 )
Seat 1: player1 ( $55.54 )
Seat 2: player2 ( $91.43 )
Seat 3: player3 ( $167.78 )
Seat 4: player4 ( $54.81 )
Seat 5: Hero ( $75.45 )
Seat 6: player5 ( $64.53 )
Seat 7: player6 ( $81.2 )
Seat 8: player7 ( $110.35 )
Seat 9: player8 ( $288.84 )
player4 posts small blind [$0.5].
Hero posts big blind [$1].
player2 posts dead blind [$0.5].
player2 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 9s 4h ]
player5 calls [$1].
player6 calls [$1].
player7 folds.
player8 folds.
player9 calls [$1].
player1 calls [$1].
player2 raises [$1].
player3 calls [$2].
player4 calls [$1.5].
Hero calls [$1].
player5 calls [$1].
player6 calls [$1].
player9 calls [$1].
player1 calls [$1].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Js, 4c, 4d ]
player4 checks.
Hero bets [$1].
player5 folds.
player6 calls [$1].
player9 calls [$1].
player1 calls [$1].
player2 raises [$2].
player3 folds.
player4 calls [$2].
Hero raises [$2].
player6 calls [$2].
player9 calls [$2].
player1 calls [$2].
player2 raises [$2].
player4 calls [$2].
Hero calls [$1].
player6 calls [$1].
player9 calls [$1].
player1 calls [$1].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3d ]
player4 bets [$2].
Hero raises [$4].
player6 calls [$4].
player9 calls [$4].
player1 calls [$4].
player2 calls [$4].
player4 calls [$2].
** Dealing River ** [ 10d ]
player4 bets [$2].
Hero calls [$2].
player6 calls [$2].
player9 calls [$2].
player1 calls [$2].
player2 folds.

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euphoricism

10-04-2005, 03:53 PM

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10-04-2005, 05:22 PM

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Fold pre-flop.

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10-04-2005, 11:13 PM

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you can't make a straight or a flush with both cards. the only hands that will help is flopping 2 pair or better, which all of them are horrible reversed implied odds considering many other players would be playing much better speculative hands.

pokernewb

10-05-2005, 05:19 AM

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Thanks, I had a feeling I shouldn't have played it even with those odds but I wasn't sure. I have plenty of books, so I'll have to skip ahead to the section about playing the blinds because I really have no idea what to play there.

euphoricism, thanks for the link but it doesnt seem to load.

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10-05-2005, 05:24 AM

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Post-flop looks great.

You're getting amazing implied odds pre-flop and calling probably isn't a big mistake (if it even is a mistake). But 94o just doesn't have anything that excites me and I see no compelling reason to gamble with it out of position. Also, if someone else feelings like gambling it up and 3-bets (semi-aware players will do this with stuff like 88 and JTs) you very well could have to fold facing 2 more bets pre-flop.

Forget about getting x:Y odds pre-flop. That crap has been pretty much shot down among the best thinkers. Think more about post-flop.

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10-05-2005, 10:41 AM

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Yes, let's all play all of our hands and outplay our opponents post-flop! What a great idea!

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10-05-2005, 05:56 PM

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the problem with 94o is it has poor high card strength. so even if you happen to miraculously flop 2 pr, you can still lose to a higher 2pr, not to mention trips, str8s, and flushes, especially when the action is so multiway. even with trips on the flop, your kicker was low and you could easily have been up against A4s/K4s... or worse, JJ, TT, or 33.

discount your outs pre-flop and you will see that even getting 15:1 ain't worth another bet. not in LHE.

ChezJ

10-05-2005, 07:21 PM

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I think 25:1 is the correct odds to play non-suited non-connecting cards like 94o and J20.

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10-05-2005, 07:22 PM

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no conectedness no sutied ness no high card power = SHIT!

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pokernewb

10-06-2005, 08:56 AM

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Thanks for the rest of the replies, I have learnt my lesson :P. Here is the result:

** Summary **
player4 shows [ 7d Kd ].
Hero mucks.
player6 mucks.
player9 mucks.
player1 mucks.
player4 collected [$73.5].

BTW, I would really appreciate it if someone could tell me if/how it is possible to convert pacific poker hands with bison or some other way, cheers.

euphoricism

10-06-2005, 03:18 PM

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Quote:

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BTW, I would really appreciate it if someone could tell me if/how it is possible to convert pacific poker hands with bison or some other way, cheers.

Do it by hand.

Hero has

on the BB...

pokernewb

10-07-2005, 06:09 AM

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Thanks, but I'm more concerned with how easy it is to do than how it looks. At the moment I manually change all the names using search & replace, but it's tedious and I could'nt be bothered doing it with most hands even if I really want some feedback on them.

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