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Old 05-31-2005, 05:42 AM     Post subject: 88 vs tight EP PFR AK8 flop #1 (permalink)  
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Opponent is tight, you think his range is AK/AQ/AA-TT

What's your play?
Fold pre-flop?

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Preflop: Fnord is SB with 8, 8.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 6 folds, Fnord calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (5 SB) 8, K, A (2 players)
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Old 05-31-2005, 06:15 AM #2 (permalink)  
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With that range of hands and no cold callers, I let this one go PF.

As played... check, raise, cap? Call down after that?

Maybe bet/call flop, check/call turn & river? QQ-TT may have trouble getting too aggro with that flop, so I like a C/R to see where you're at, playing the turn & river from there. AA, KK, AK all play post-flop the same, I think. And you're at least beating one of them, so I think you have pot equity at that point to call down
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Old 05-31-2005, 03:31 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Old 05-31-2005, 03:38 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Wait, how are you acting first postflop? Did you haxor the interwebs?

Edit: NM I kant read.
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Old 05-31-2005, 03:43 PM #5 (permalink)  
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If your opponent will raise you with only a pair here I think your best play is to bet out (think you are in SB if I’m reading it right), if you think you can 3 bet here you think that's the best line, is attempting a c/r a bettor line... either way I think it's correct to try and get at least one or 2 bets in on the flop here...

I think I would have called in this spot too to see a flop hopefully spike an 8, if I miss I think I would c/f…
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Old 05-31-2005, 04:28 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I think I would have called in this spot too to see a flop hopefully spike an 8, if I miss I think I would c/f…
Against an idiot I may recommend this line, but against a TaGG, which this guy seems to be, I wouldn't with no cold-callers (and thus less pot-odds). If the flop comes down undercards and you bet out, he raises, what's your line? You know (with this particular bettor) there's a good chance he has an overpair to your 8s, do you really want to call down or 3-bet, giving him better odds to call down even if he just has overs?

So you instead play for spiking the set - need 8:1 for this to be profitable. You're getting ~3:1 for the PF call. It shouldn't be that hard to get 5SB (6, actually, I suppose, to compensate for rake..) out of him if he has a good hand, thusly making the call profitable..

So I guess if your line is C/F with no set (even on a flop of unders) I suppose that line makes sense.
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Old 05-31-2005, 05:10 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Then again, you spike your set in this situation... you're either way ahead or way behind with no good clue as to which. And that really hurts your implied odds.
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Old 05-31-2005, 05:17 PM     Post subject: Re: 88 vs tight EP PFR AK8 flop #8 (permalink)  
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
Opponent is tight, you think his range is AK/AQ/AA-TT
Are there players who are really this tight? Jesus, how boring.

I bet that mofo - it's a set. See what he does, and grab my ankles and call down if he raises.

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Old 05-31-2005, 06:01 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Fnord: I'll take "Hands I played that make me want to vommit" for $100 Alex.

Alex: Excellent choice, here is the answer...

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Preflop: Fnord is SB with 8, 8.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 6 folds, Fnord calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (5 SB) 8, K, A (2 players)
Fnord checks, UTG+1 bets, Fnord calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 3 (2 players)
Fnord checks, UTG+1 bets, Fnord calls.

River: (5.50 BB) Q (2 players)
Fnord checks, UTG+1 checks.

Final Pot: 5.50 BB

Results:
Fnord has 8h 8c (three of a kind, eights).
UTG+1 has Th Tc (one pair, tens).
Outcome: Fnord wins 5.50 BB.

Fnord: What is a hand I should fold pre-flop?

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Old 05-31-2005, 11:45 PM #10 (permalink)  
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