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Skeeno
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01-09-2008, 01:57 PM
Post subject: 88 multiway
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Flush
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Norfolk, UK
Posts: 364
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Is this a spew, firstly calling . . I'm never too sure how to play these type of hands on a limp happy table. Betting the turn bad move?
PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 8 , 8 .
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 raises, 1 fold, Button calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.
Flop: (11 SB) Q, 3 , 4 (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Button checks.
Turn: (5.50 BB) 6 (5 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP3 folds, Button calls.
River: (8.50 BB) 5 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Button folds, Hero folds.
Final Pot: 8.50 BB
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arborman
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Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 300
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Decisions would be easier with reads.
Preflop is fine - you have at least 4 people going to the flop, which makes it worth calling almost any pocket pair in hopes of a set.
Flop is fine too - you have a middle pair and are out of position, so I'd check-fold. Nobody betting tells me there is no flush or OESD out there, unless these guys are ultrapassive.
Turn also fine - nobody bet the queen, which tells me that your 8s are good. It is possible someone is chasing a draw, and they have the odds to call, but you are most likely ahead.
River I bet-call. You still have the best non-flush/non-straight hand (probably), and it is a value bet IMO. These guys seem passive, so you probably won't face a raise - and if you do someone is probably made, but they might just be raising their pair of 6s.
You win this maybe 30% of the time (number pulled from thin air, but approximately true), which means you don't fold, and a value bet is worthwhile. They might think you have the flush or straight too.
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Pwnsylvania
Posts: 7,545
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bet-call river is bad, you don't want to be putting 2 bets in on the end here with just a pair of 8's.
C/f river seems fine 3 way, no one's bluffing/vbetting worse into the field.
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Skeeno
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Flush
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Norfolk, UK
Posts: 364
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Thanks guys for the input. To be honest I felt as soon as the turn got called I'm behind, plenty of players seem to be passive and happy to wait for you to bet before showing any aggression. It's like limp-city.
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KoRnholio
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,165
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Check-fold river is good. Check-call if you have a read that villain would have and bet a 6 or 4 there, since that's all you beat now. That was a very gross river card.
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Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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DrivingDog
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Full House
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 923
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If I were UTG+1 I would b/f sixes here all day long. Btn is obviously fishing for something (he'd almost certainly bet the flop with a FD) and for all Villian knows we could have been drawing with a five on the turn and gave up on the river. I think we're ahead more than 1/8 times here. I bet/fold the river and hope i get called by a six.
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"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." (George Bush).
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Hermann the Lombard
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Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 270
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
C/f river seems fine 3 way, no one's bluffing/vbetting worse into the field.
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I'm playing at .10/.20 and I can guarantee you that at this level some villains *are* betting worse into the field (so we're back to the lack of reads). Bluffers aren't common but they're around. The situation may be as you say at .5/1.
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Oh, no! Not another learning experience!
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arborman
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Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 300
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[quote="Hermann the Lombard"]
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
The situation may be as you say at .5/1.
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Not that I've noticed yet, but so far I'm only 1000 hands into .5-1.
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