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Harry
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07-05-2006, 04:39 AM
Post subject: 88 on button, standard play?
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Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 8 , 8 .
UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls.
Flop: (12 SB) 3, A, T (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, CO checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB folds, UTG raises, MP calls, CO folds, Hero calls, SB calls.
Turn: (10 BB) 6 (4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, MP calls, Hero folds, SB raises, UTG 3-bets, MP folds, SB caps, UTG calls.
River: (19 BB) 4 (2 players)
SB bets, UTG raises, SB 3-bets, UTG calls.
Final Pot: 25 BB
Standard raise PF? Standard bet when checked to on the flop? If someone bets on the flop, I call 1 bet with my 2-outter.
Is this all standard?
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No raise preflop, only raise if it is HU or you can get it HU. Raising with pocket pairs is spewage because in a field of this many limpers you are going to have to hit your set to win. You should still see a flop but raising is bad. Flop is standard.
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Harry
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How about with TT? JJ?
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TT and up, yes. Although I'm sure people can make an argument can be made but there is a lot more equity in TT and JJ, especially in SH games, that can't be made up post flop from your preflop edge.
It's something you see a lot in live games, limping and calling with TT and especially JJ, they just don't get the value of it. Playing TT and JJ for sets is a NL thing. Raise for value!
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Harry
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Okay, so for 99 and below, you are raising more to knock out other players than you are for value. If a raise won't make it a 2 or maybe 3-way pot, don't raise? In other words, generally don't raise mid to low pocket pairs with 2 or more limpers in front of you?
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elipsesjeff
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Originally Posted by Harry
Okay, so for 99 and below, you are raising more to knock out other players than you are for value. If a raise won't make it a 2 or maybe 3-way pot, don't raise? In other words, generally don't raise mid to low pocket pairs with 2 or more limpers in front of you?
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You should have taken the free card you purchased.
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I also raise preflop, but I suck
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
No raise preflop, only raise if it is HU or you can get it HU. Raising with pocket pairs is spewage because in a field of this many limpers you are going to have to hit your set to win. You should still see a flop but raising is bad. Flop is standard.
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I'd like to change this to only raise if you feel that you are going to knock out other players from the pot or buy yourself a possible button.
Two limpers to me and I might raise this dependent on my position and opponents. Again as your pair climbs you can raise more. I don't mind just calling with a TT in your spot I don't think you have all that much equity and the flop is going to be what settles your place in the hand anyways and we are so unlikely to fold any hands at all.
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