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LawDude

11-10-2009, 06:59 AM Post subject: 8/16 hand at Hustler

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This was a nice demonstration of the differences between live and online poker. Reads are so important playing live.

In any event, I had a kill blind because I had won the last two pots (AJ making a nut straight followed by JJ making a boat and cracking pocket aces). The kill blind is 1 1/2 times the regular blind, or $12, and the game will play as 12/24. I am in seat 5 and in middle position.

There are two notable players on the table, and everyone else is a weak-tight nit. Seat 9, who is not in this hand, is a savvy, tight-aggressive player.

Seat 7, who is in this hand, is a young woman who has been losing a lot of money and keeps on rebuying. She was loose-aggressive to begin with, and she is tilting and has lost her bearings. She's bluffing into big hands and raising too often. I am looking to isolate her if the opportunity arises.

I am dealt 97o. 1 player limps ahead of me, I check, and seat 7 and 2 others limp behind. Seat 2, in the big blind, completes to the kill blind.

Flop is T72 rainbow. I sense an opportunity to isolate against seat 7. If I can bet out and get her to raise, everyone else may fold. In any event, it's not a terrible flop for my hand-- I have a pair and a backdoor straight draw. It checks to me, and I bet. Seat 7 calls, and seat 2, one of the nits, also calls.

Turn is an ace. I didn't get the isolation I wanted, and that ace may have hit someone. I might have already been behind anyway. Checks around.

River is a 9. Wow. Seat 2 checks, I bet. Seat 7 raises. Got her just where I want her!

And then..... seat 2 calls seat 7's raise. It's the first time I've seen him call 2 bets cold since I got to the table. Now, what do I do?

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dranger7070

11-10-2009, 09:07 AM

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dranger7070 has a little shameless behaviour in the past

I think the nit is likely to have paired the A with like a weak suited A (he obv would be raising AJ+ PF i would think) or maybe have a decent T (this isn't too likely) or obv two pair with AT, 9T, etc.

Seat 7 is probably doing it with all kinds of stuff like you said, she can have Tx, 7x, A-rag, etc.

I just flat it here, you're getting really good odds (ldfo) and likely have the best hand, but raising is just bad here I think. Obv hands that you beat MIGHT still call, but its just way too thin of value to be doing it here.

Call it and turn over the winner imo.

LawDude

11-10-2009, 05:45 PM

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Think about:

1. What sorts of hands is a nit not likely to lead with but is likely to call the flop bet with?

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2. Of that range, what hands will he willing to then call 2 big bets on the river with in a pot that is only moderate size?

Chopper

11-10-2009, 09:34 PM

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you puke call the nit's cold call and hope you didnt reopen the betting for 7 to 3! and 2 to cap. if that happens, you dump your hand.

i am more afraid the nit made aces up and whiffed his c/r on the turn and knew the LAG couldnt resist popping the river if it looked like an orphan pot.

i really doubt the nit is trying to turn his hand into a bluff against the maniac with a SD hand. and, i cant imagine slowplaying a big one pair hand with the maniac and YOU in the pot. again, i puke call this because of odds, but dont expect to win very often.

boy, looking back i am confused. small pot on turn and river makes it pretty big. from 4BBs to 9BBs by the time it gets back....and you dont close action. i dont know if we are good here 11% of the time.....and i think LAG will 3bet here a lot if she is tilting.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

LawDude

11-10-2009, 10:58 PM

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You are a little confused. We are closing the action. So we can certainly make a crying call here if we want to.

But nonetheless, you have pretty much figured out the hand.

Nit's range is 2 pair+, with an emphasis on Ax 2-pairs that beat us. Because he's not calling the flop without a pair or a straight draw. And he's not calling 2 bets on the river without a big hand. Indeed, I think he was looking to check-raise LAG on the river.

LAG, of course, could have anything, so we are less worried about her, but remember, at least some of the time that we beat Nit, we actually will lose to LAG.

And we get 8 to 1 on our call. Are we good 12 1/2 percent of the time?

So, I concluded "no" and folded, which I would have never done online. But with the chance to look at these people, really pay close attention to how they play, etc., I figured I had the right read.

I folded face up. LAG had a pair of tens with a garbage kicker.

And Nit had-- a straight.

Easy game, ain't it?

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11-10-2009, 11:19 PM

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i wondered about J8, because that would complete the kill. but, i didnt think J8 could hang with the flop raise from LAGgy. i felt AX was much more likely with a pair on the flop and the 5 outer to a hand that was way ahead of LAG.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

LawDude

11-10-2009, 11:25 PM

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Laggy CALLED the flop with her pair. She didn't raise it. So Nit only had to put in 1 bet on the flop after completing pre-flop. If Laggy had raised the flop (as I wanted her to), I probably would have been good.

Now, had I bet the turn, in retrospect, I might have folded nit out and sucked out on Lag. But there's just too many scenarios where I am behind and am going to get called (or raised) to do that.

Chopper

11-11-2009, 02:10 AM

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you gotta be more results-oriented, man. and, i gotta learn to read.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

LawDude

11-11-2009, 02:36 AM

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you gotta be more results-oriented, man. and, i gotta learn to read.

Unfortunately, FTR hasn't yet invented a hand converter for live hands.

In any event, you gotta find a way to get some live poker into your life. This was a kinda tough hand (which is why I posted it), but most of it is just easy pickings.

Chopper

11-11-2009, 01:17 PM

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agreed. its bankroll related, and time related. mostly time. but, since i cant really pull online money to play poker with....and simply put it back when done....i have to grab a couple hundo in cash to go. and, with kids and a family, i cant justify it just yet....if i lose. now, if i build my online roll to 3k, its a different story completely.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

Muzzard

11-28-2009, 03:40 AM

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cool story bro

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