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Old 01-12-2009, 09:13 PM     Post subject: 7th hand #1 (permalink)  
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Button 83/ 0/0.5 (30 hands)
SB 35/15/6.5 (40 hands)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, K
3 folds, Button calls, SB calls, Hero checks

Flop: (3 SB) 6, J, 4 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, Button raises, SB calls, Hero calls

Turn: (4.5 BB) 2 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks

River: (4.5 BB) 8 (3 players)
SB bets, Hero ?
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Old 01-12-2009, 10:49 PM #2 (permalink)  
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hero is getting 5.5-1 So usually I would just crying call.

But the problem is, the raise on the flop seems like an obvious "buy myself a free turn" So any 2 diamonds, and 57 just completed, so I don't think that a fold is bad.

I wish you were HU, becuase I would think that SB is Bet/Folding... so if the button weren't there, you could probably raise with impunity and win a lot more often than normal. But you just don't know how the button is going to react. Also the fact that it's not HU I think that folding > calling here, just because while it is a decent sized pot it's not a LOL I'MNOTFOLDINGAMIRITE sized pot.
The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?
 
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Old 01-13-2009, 12:30 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Btn probably opens every hand from there, and his AF isn't that low for someone who plays every hand. So i don't give his flop raise much respect. He could have any Jx or 8x hand and maybe even A4.

I like a 3bet on the flop and lead on the turn.

As played, I'm calling B.S. on SB. You've got fucking TPGK and his AF is 6.5 - I mean wtf? He might have us beat but he might just be a spewtard. Call a bet from him. Consider folding to a raise from btn because he might be making what he thinks is a great play by slowplaying the flush.
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Old 01-13-2009, 03:59 AM #4 (permalink)  
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River: (4.5 BB) 8 (3 players)
SB bets, Hero folds, Button calls

Total pot: $6.50 (6.5 BB) | Rake: $0.30

Results:
Button mucked A, A (one pair, Aces).
SB had 10, 7 (flush, Jack high).
Outcome: SB won $6.20


I folded the hand because i had huge feeling that i am behind. I strongly believed that SB has the flush. He cold called 2 bets on the flop, than check the turn (waiting for checkraise) and without hesitation bet the river.
The slowplayed hand of Btn is just rofl...

Anyway there are another possibilities how to play this hand...
Preflop raise, 3-bet the flop etc......
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Old 01-14-2009, 04:58 AM #5 (permalink)  
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River: (4.5 BB) 8 (3 players)
SB bets, Hero folds, Button calls

Total pot: $6.50 (6.5 BB) | Rake: $0.30

Results:
Button mucked A, A (one pair, Aces).
SB had 10, 7 (flush, Jack high).
Outcome: SB won $6.20


I folded the hand because i had huge feeling that i am behind. I strongly believed that SB has the flush. He cold called 2 bets on the flop, than check the turn (waiting for checkraise) and without hesitation bet the river.
The slowplayed hand of Btn is just rofl...

Anyway there are another possibilities how to play this hand...
Preflop raise, 3-bet the flop etc......
Terrible fold! You HAVE to call sb's bet... prolly fold to btn's raise (but player dependent).

Also... RAISE PREFLOP FOR VALUE EVERY TIME!

You're giving up too much by not making btn pay for limping first in w/ J9o type hand, and SB completing any mediocre 2.
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Old 01-14-2009, 05:31 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Also... RAISE PREFLOP FOR VALUE EVERY TIME!
I raise KJs+, 88+, A9o+ from BB when 2 limpers in.
Maybe its another leak. What is your range on the BB ?
If you miss a flop you c-bet oop ? lets say 47Q...
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Old 01-14-2009, 05:46 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Also... RAISE PREFLOP FOR VALUE EVERY TIME!
I raise KJs+, 88+, A9o+ from BB when 2 limpers in.
Maybe its another leak. What is your range on the BB ?
If you miss a flop you c-bet oop ? lets say 47Q...
The problem with raising these hands PF is that most of them are very hard to play OOP for the rest of the hand. When raising from the BB, with a couple limpers in, I keep my PF raises to the same ones I'd raise from EP...IMO

Technically, you're range isn't that far from SSH with the exception of the A9o+ and the 88 (SSH recommends AQo+ and 99+).

I play my raises from SB and BB a little tighter then SSH. Nobody will fold for one more bet and as I stated before, you'll be OOP for the rest of the hand, and that's a rough place to be when you miss your flop, which you will alot with a lot of those hands.
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Old 01-14-2009, 05:51 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Also... RAISE PREFLOP FOR VALUE EVERY TIME!
I raise KJs+, 88+, A9o+ from BB when 2 limpers in.
Maybe its another leak. What is your range on the BB ?
If you miss a flop you c-bet oop ? lets say 47Q...
I'm raising a lot of hands here, but this is assuming I have big edge postflop, which I definitely will if I'm sitting. I'm raising K9s+, KTo or suited, QJs (maybe QTs), ANY Ace, 66+.

I'm C-betting 95% flops!

You MUST keep pressure on these limping morons - you're going to win more than your fair share.
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