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Old 12-16-2007, 12:01 PM     Post subject: 7S8: Trip K vs possible low #1 (permalink)  
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 PokerStars Game #13894777213: 7 Card Stud Hi/Lo Limit ($1/$2) - 2007/12/16 - 07:56:59 (ET)
Table 'Achaia' 8-max
Seat 1: rxp2004 ($30.50 in chips)
Seat 2: sheephead 57 ($37.85 in chips)
Seat 3: REDRULES ($28.25 in chips)
Seat 4: CoLiSuXX ($38.35 in chips)
Seat 6: Forty2u ($31.20 in chips)
Seat 7: falo20 ($39.90 in chips)
Seat 8: rocko884 ($13.15 in chips)
rxp2004: posts the ante $0.10
sheephead 57: posts the ante $0.10
REDRULES: posts the ante $0.10
CoLiSuXX: posts the ante $0.10
rockytop joins the table at seat #5
Forty2u: posts the ante $0.10
falo20: posts the ante $0.10
rocko884: posts the ante $0.10
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to rxp2004 [4s]
Dealt to sheephead 57 [Td]
Dealt to REDRULES [9d]
Dealt to CoLiSuXX [3c]
Dealt to Forty2u [Ks 7h Kd]
Dealt to falo20 [3s]
Dealt to rocko884 [5d]
CoLiSuXX: brings in for $0.50
Forty2u: raises $0.50 to $1
falo20: folds
rocko884: calls $1
rxp2004: folds
sheephead 57: folds
sheephead 57 is sitting out
REDRULES: folds
CoLiSuXX: calls $0.50
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to CoLiSuXX [3c] [8h]
Dealt to Forty2u [Ks 7h Kd] [2h]
Dealt to rocko884 [5d] [4h]
Forty2u: checks
rocko884: checks
CoLiSuXX: checks
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to CoLiSuXX [3c 8h] [Jd]
Dealt to Forty2u [Ks 7h Kd 2h] [Kh]
Dealt to rocko884 [5d 4h] [7c]
Forty2u: bets $2
rocko884: calls $2
CoLiSuXX: folds
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to Forty2u [Ks 7h Kd 2h Kh] [6d]
Dealt to rocko884 [5d 4h 7c] [9h]
Forty2u: bets $2
rocko884: calls $2
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to Forty2u [Ks 7h Kd 2h Kh 6d] [8d]
Forty2u: bets $2
rocko884: folds
Forty2u collected $11.20 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $11.70 | Rake $0.50
Seat 1: rxp2004 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 2: sheephead 57 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 3: REDRULES folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 4: CoLiSuXX folded on the 5th Street
Seat 6: Forty2u collected ($11.20)
Seat 7: falo20 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 8: rocko884 folded on the River


Villian was kind of a loose chaser, but after playing the hand I wondered if betting the river was correct - Apperntly if he makes a str8 he reraises me, but I may get a call from 2 pair putting me on 1 pair
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Old 12-18-2007, 06:16 PM     Post subject: Id do the same #2 (permalink)  
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I would have bet the river too, but a check would also be good. Either way you are in trouble if he hit the straight, so betting out at least might get some extra cash if he missed the straight and puts you on one pair. There is also the chance that he made a weaker set and you will get a call too. I think you really need to go with your read on this one.
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Old 12-18-2007, 07:39 PM #3 (permalink)  
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4rth is interesting. I'm inclined to just gas gas gas.
River is fine if this guy is a station, otherwise I like a check.
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Old 12-18-2007, 07:59 PM     Post subject: Re: Id do the same #4 (permalink)  
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I would have bet the river too, but a check would also be good. Either way you are in trouble if he hit the straight, so betting out at least might get some extra cash if he missed the straight and puts you on one pair. There is also the chance that he made a weaker set and you will get a call too. I think you really need to go with your read on this one.
The problem is that if he hits his str8 I am losing 2 BB
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Old 12-18-2007, 08:01 PM #5 (permalink)  
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4rth is interesting. I'm inclined to just gas gas gas.
why would you bet 4th when villian hits good?
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Old 12-19-2007, 05:12 AM #6 (permalink)  
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The river bet is fine. When he just calls on 5th, he is either extremely bad or does not have a low. This means he probably paired at some point, so there are good chances that he will have two pair on the river. You should bet to try to win an extra bet from him when this happens. He isn't going to end up with a straight on the river all that often, which is the only time betting loses money compared to check-calling.
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what do you guys think about the raise pf? i always thought this was kind of marginal.
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 I would not raise if there were limpers infront, with the K and 7 live and a chance to chase off most of the lows early I think its worth it


 
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I would not raise if there were limpers infront, with the K and 7 live and a chance to chase off most of the lows early I think its worth it
"To chase away lows" is basically never a reason to complete with any hand on 3rd street, because people don't fold the hands you're talking about for an additional partial bet.
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I would not raise if there were limpers infront, with the K and 7 live and a chance to chase off most of the lows early I think its worth it
"To chase away lows" is basically never a reason to complete with any hand on 3rd street, because people don't fold the hands you're talking about for an additional partial bet.
what is your default play with live high pair ?


 
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I would not raise if there were limpers infront, with the K and 7 live and a chance to chase off most of the lows early I think its worth it
"To chase away lows" is basically never a reason to complete with any hand on 3rd street, because people don't fold the hands you're talking about for an additional partial bet.
what is your default play with live high pair ?
The only time I play is if my pair is higher than all of my opponents doorcards, otherwise I almost always fold. If I play I will usually come in for a raise, but I might consider just limping or even folding if there are a lot of premium low cards out. Big pairs are marginal, reverse implied odds hands and should usually be avoided in this game, and when you do play, you should play cautiously on most streets.
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I would not raise if there were limpers infront, with the K and 7 live and a chance to chase off most of the lows early I think its worth it
"To chase away lows" is basically never a reason to complete with any hand on 3rd street, because people don't fold the hands you're talking about for an additional partial bet.
what is your default play with live high pair ?
The only time I play is if my pair is higher than all of my opponents doorcards, otherwise I almost always fold. If I play I will usually come in for a raise, but I might consider just limping or even folding if there are a lot of premium low cards out. Big pairs are marginal, reverse implied odds hands and should usually be avoided in this game, and when you do play, you should play cautiously on most streets.
so in this case, OOP vs multiple lows you would fold ?


 
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