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rpm
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03-23-2010, 07:26 AM
Post subject: 5plo river decision in position
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villain seems decent if not a little aggro, however this is my first session with him. not sure how relevant it is in PLO but he runs roughly 48/23. on another table he attempted to fire 3 barrels into me with air when checked to on something really dry like KK28T rainbow after i called his open from SB and checked every street to him. i'm pretty sure he also got caught bluffing in a decent sized pot far earlier in the session as well. for this reason i think that there is a decent amount of air in his range especially because i smooth called a bet of only roughly 1/2 pot. i have a made flush with at least 3 nut outs if worst comes to worst and he has A4. because his range seems so airy, which his river check seems to confirm, i'm not sure if i can/how i am to bet for value here, seeing as i can hardly bet/fold with the SPR as is. and i'm not even sure if he calls with AKxx,AQxx, or AJxx. thoughts on river play?
PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (CO) ($8.70)
Button ($5.46)
SB ($13.94)
BB ($37.79)
UTG ($5)
MP ($8.18)
Preflop: Hero is CO with J , A , 6, 2
1 fold, MP calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.05, Button calls $0.05, SB calls $0.03, BB bets $0.30, MP calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, SB calls $0.25
Flop: ($1.50) A , A, 4 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, Hero checks, Button checks
Turn: ($1.50) 3 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, 2 folds, BB raises to $3.45, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.95
River: ($8.90) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero?
Total pot: $8.90 | Rake: $0.40
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rpm
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ok a few hands later i bet flop with second NFD and gutterball, turn the second NF, and check/call two >3/4PSB barrels on turn and river to see this guy showdown air, if that extra info helps with deciding the correct play for the above hand
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drmcboy
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fold or raise pre, you want to be in against 1-2 opp with this hand or fold it.
as played bet flop.
I don't think he checks fulls on the end or ever folds a flush so I'd put the rest in.
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rpm
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i just looked at that hand (i played it yesterday) and thought the same thing. how did i not bet the flop? oh well thanks doc. and i tanked for a bit then ended up shipping it in on the river. i won't say how villiain responded in case anyone else has anything to say about that hand that could be biased by results
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dsaxton
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Your reasoning for checking behind on the river is sort of bogus. Even if he's folding 95% of the time that you bet, that doesn't mean you shouldn't bet what's the effective nuts in this situation.
Really easy value bet on the river, and yeah, bet the flop like the others said.
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rpm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dsaxton
Your reasoning for checking behind on the river is sort of bogus. Even if he's folding 95% of the time that you bet, that doesn't mean you shouldn't bet what's the effective nuts in this situation.
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i agree that checking behind misses value here, i actually did bet pot on the river as played. but could you qualify the "even if he's folding 95% of the time..." statement please? if villain folds 95% of the time, and the remaining 5% of his range is A5 and A3 (or whatever the two overfulls are), surely any bets on the river are hugely -EV for me? i'm not saying your comment is wrong, i'm pretty new to PLO and i'm not very good at determining the EV of value bets when opponents are only holding two cards so it's a bit baffling.
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"if villain folds 95% of the time, and the remaining 5% of his range is A5 and A3"
He's almost never going to have A-3 after taking this line. Most of the time he's going to have a strangely played flush when he calls a river bet. (Besides, you do realize that if his calling range is A-3 and A-5, you're a favorite to have the best hand if he calls?)
(I read over the hand history quickly and didn't notice that he check-raised the turn at first, which changes things slightly, but not a lot.)
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rpm
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yeah, because i was quoting you in my reply i couldnt see the actual hand as i was typing it. when i said A5 and A3 i meant "whatever the two Ax overfulls are". fwiw i think these are definitely in his turn range, along with a lot of other Ax and flushes. but i can pretty safely discount the overfulls when he checks the river because him checking would allow me to check behind even the nut flush or AKxx or something.
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