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The Odds God

03-01-2007, 01:22 PM Post subject: 5cd how to play a set after draw

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I am always confused about situations like this. I never seem to know how many raises can I put in after the draw with a set. Predraw I always cap it, even if it is a set of deuces (tell me if this is the right play).

Here is the example where I believe I played like a nit after draw and I believe I should at least bet and call the raise. I believed he had a set here because I don't believe he would reraise with two pair here. It was not a strong read, but I decided to checkcall and now I regret it.

PokerStars Game #8671171352: 5 Card Draw Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/02/28 - 16:04:29 (ET)
Table 'Vala II' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: jimbo1986 ($21.35 in chips)
Seat 2: GuerillaKnit ($8.95 in chips)
Seat 3: boro83 ($17 in chips)
Seat 4: aucu ($13.60 in chips)
Seat 5: Fredy West ($18.10 in chips)
Seat 6: DaPokerGun ($58.15 in chips)
boro83: posts small blind $0.25
aucu: posts big blind $0.50
*** DEALING HANDS ***
Dealt to DaPokerGun [6c Qd Qs Qc 2h]
Fredy West: folds
DaPokerGun: raises $0.50 to $1
jimbo1986: raises $0.50 to $1.50
GuerillaKnit: folds
boro83: folds
aucu: calls $1
DaPokerGun: raises $0.50 to $2
Betting is capped
jimbo1986: calls $0.50
aucu: calls $0.50
aucu: discards 3 cards
DaPokerGun: discards 2 cards [6c 2h]
Dealt to DaPokerGun [Qd Qs Qc] [2c 5h]
jimbo1986: discards 1 card
aucu: checks
DaPokerGun: checks
jimbo1986: bets $1
aucu: folds
DaPokerGun: calls $1
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jimbo1986: shows [8h Kd Jh Js Jd] (three of a kind, Jacks)
DaPokerGun: shows [2c Qd Qs Qc 5h] (three of a kind, Queens)
DaPokerGun collected $7.90 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $8.25 | Rake $0.35
Seat 1: jimbo1986 showed [8h Kd Jh Js Jd] and lost with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 2: GuerillaKnit (button) folded before the Draw (didn't bet)
Seat 3: boro83 (small blind) folded before the Draw
Seat 4: aucu (big blind) folded after the Draw
Seat 5: Fredy West folded before the Draw (didn't bet)
Seat 6: DaPokerGun showed [2c Qd Qs Qc 5h] and won ($7.90) with three of a kind, Queens

So - how should I play this hand? If I bet and he raises, should I just call or maybe even reraise? Assume solid opponent. I probably should bet and call the raise. Tell me your opinion.

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swiggidy

03-01-2007, 02:00 PM

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From the little bit I've played draw it comes down to reads a lot. You can't be results oriented either. If he likes to play drawing type hands I bet here because I will be betting post draw a lot. If you put him on a set then you have to raise, or at least bet call because you only loose to AAAxx and KKKxx.

If you cap pre-flop then draw two, nice job flopping your hand face up on the table. By drawing 1 your opponent at least somewhat disguises his hand. If he's smart he's not betting 2 pair post flop.

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03-29-2007, 10:25 PM

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If you put him on a set: cap it, draw 1 and either lead or check raise. I wouldn't even dream of my hand being beat until he raises me post-draw.

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Renton

03-29-2007, 10:28 PM

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doesn't he have two pair enough where its a clear raise?

Miffed22001

03-29-2007, 11:31 PM

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missed this.
easy cap, throw the 2 and raise any bet he makes so long as he doesnt stand pat on you.
Call a c/r as he prob made his boat if he had two pair/worse set but only 3 bet a c/r if opp really overrates aces up.

fwiw, i always raise a bet with a set after the draw, as most of your opponents are going to bet aces up anyway thinking its the nuts here.

Fnord

03-31-2007, 01:42 AM

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Also, after drawing 2 you should be MORE inclined to bet unless your opoonent stood pat. If your opponent doesn't know you, it looks like a bluff.

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03-31-2007, 05:41 AM

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I almost always lead with a big set (999 or better). The only way I am folding this is if I have a granite head (a really hard rock) at my table that has been flipping over pat hands all night I will still probably at least call post draw. In that case if granite head stands pat and then bets post draw I am calling instead of raising.

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Miffed22001

03-31-2007, 09:26 AM

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showing down trips versus a stand pat is gross.

Fnord

03-31-2007, 09:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

showing down trips versus a stand pat is gross.

Meh, got to look those up sometimes. The PokerStars table texure is too aggro to fold to a pat every time.

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04-02-2007, 09:09 PM

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I doubt very much check calling this hand made any difference. After and capped predraw and drawing 2 Jimbo would surely have just called if you bet into him.

Also look at this part aucu: discards 3 cards... This is moronic play by Auca to still be in the pot and draw 3 however, he must therefore have AA or KK at worst and that rules out one of the hands that beats you AAA or KKK.

In this instance you cant use your discards for clues, but if for example you had thrown away an A or K then you can be assured you are locked in the pot and bet out.

So what are you affraid of? A boat? Well the odds are in your favour there. You can be certain that betting in this situation will be much more profitable long term than checking.

Miffed22001

04-02-2007, 10:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

showing down trips versus a stand pat is gross.

Meh, got to look those up sometimes. The PokerStars table texure is too aggro to fold to a pat every time.

perhaps in the 3/6 game and definitly in the 5/10 game. Not at anything below though, they just aret aggressive enough for medium strength hands unless they are fish overvaluing hands IMO.

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04-03-2007, 03:21 AM

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I pretty much just play 2/4 and 3/6. Sometimes I'll go fishing at .5/1. The rake is way too high at 5/10 to make that game +EV for just about anyone but Fun2Draw1.

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The Odds God

04-04-2007, 03:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fredy West

I doubt very much check calling this hand made any difference. After and capped predraw and drawing 2 Jimbo would surely have just called if you bet into him.

You were in the hand too. Nice. Didn't know you post on FTR. You are right about villain in this hand. I think I should bet and if he raises, I would just call or maybe even consider laying it down (but I doubt I would be able to do that). Jimbo just would not raise with TTT. He is too passive postdraw and if he just called, I can't really blame him here.

I lost some money by being too aggressive in situations like this before and now I learned that I should not be always when I have a set. Usually bet and if faced with a raise, just call unless villain is the type of guy who would raise with aces up.

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04-05-2007, 02:12 AM

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I googled my Pokerstars screen name out of curiosity and found your post. So I offered my view.

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