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Old 02-26-2007, 09:19 AM     Post subject: 5cd Can't over-call, right? #1 (permalink)  
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I have KKxxx on the button and raise.
Loose and kinda aggro SB who thinks he's tricky, but he's predictably tricky calls.
Unknown BB who bought in for the full default calls.

SB draws 2
BB draws 3
I draw 3, don't improve.

SB bets, BB calls, I know the SB is bluffing here way often enough to call if the BB folded...
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Old 02-26-2007, 10:05 AM #2 (permalink)  
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against unknown BB i think u can't call
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PokerStars Game #8632156997: 5 Card Draw Limit ($2/$4) - 2007/02/26 - 06:23:33 (ET)
Table 'Tros' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Pyrotech1fg ($189 in chips)
Seat 3: Aces123 ($84 in chips)
Seat 4: HenryFnord ($215 in chips)
Seat 5: Jadyn ($52.50 in chips)
Seat 6: AceQuad ($19.50 in chips)
AceQuad: posts small blind $1
Pyrotech1fg: posts big blind $2
*** DEALING HANDS ***
Dealt to HenryFnord [Ac 2s 6h Jh Ad]
Aces123: raises $2 to $4
HenryFnord: raises $2 to $6
Jadyn: folds
AceQuad: folds
Pyrotech1fg: folds
Aces123: calls $2
Aces123: discards 3 cards
HenryFnord: discards 3 cards [2s 6h Jh]
Dealt to HenryFnord [Ac Ad] [5d 2h 6c]
Aces123: checks
HenryFnord: bets $4
Aces123: raises $4 to $8
HenryFnord: calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Aces123: shows [Ks Th 2d Kd 7h] (a pair of Kings)
HenryFnord: shows [Ac 5d 2h 6c Ad] (a pair of Aces)
HenryFnord collected $30 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $31 | Rake $1
Seat 1: Pyrotech1fg (big blind) folded before the Draw
Seat 3: Aces123 showed [Ks Th 2d Kd 7h] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 4: HenryFnord showed [Ac 5d 2h 6c Ad] and won ($30) with a pair of Aces
Seat 5: Jadyn (button) folded before the Draw (didn't bet)
Seat 6: AceQuad (small blind) folded before the Draw
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Old 02-26-2007, 04:30 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I wonder if bet-calling has higher expectation than just checking behind after the draw.
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 If you're BB you're def. raising so what makes it a tough call.
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I wonder if bet-calling has higher expectation than just checking behind after the draw.
If we're talking about hand #2, then just checking behind a pair of Aces behind a really terrible LAgg is giving up way too much value. Bet/fold is a standard line for me here and it became a bet/call due to his erratic behavior. His typical hand is crap, the nature of 5cd is that he'll rarely improve, just keep giving him chances to spew off more chips.

In general, I value bet a pair of Aces a lot. Worse hands call enough it's at least a break-even play against just about the entire field. It also creates a slightly wider range of hands I'm betting, causing me to showdown less and build up mistrust/mystery with my opponents.
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