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Old 07-06-2005, 09:46 PM     Post subject: 54o first hand on a suspected 1/2 loose party table #1 (permalink)  
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Background, I chose this table because it had a high avg pot and suspected it to be loose agg. Spent a week traveling and reading SSH , coming back to the tables with the thought that I was giving up to many bigger pots on the flop.

PF I suspect the raiser to be after my post and I wont give that up with so many going into the pot. Totally wrong call?
Is the turn 3-bet chip spewing? River bet ok...what should I do if I get reraised?

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 4, 5. Hero posts a blind of $1.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, 1 fold, MP2 raises, MP3 calls, Hero (poster) calls, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 3-bets, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (16.50 SB) A, J, 4 (5 players)
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (10.75 BB) 5 (5 players)
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets, MP2 raises, MP3 calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP2 caps, MP3 calls, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls.

River: (26.75 BB) 2 (4 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, UTG+2 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 29.75 BB
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Old 07-06-2005, 10:33 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Other than the obligatory 'fold preflop', I think its.. eh.. ok. You kinda dug yourself a hole and had to go along for the ride.

Flop call, with a pot at 16.5SB is alright.
Turn you hit your hand and it got capped. Thats, well, scary, because you sure as hell aren't holding the nuts.

I probably would have checked the river.
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Preflop sucks, rest of the hand is fine.
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Old 07-07-2005, 01:49 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Preflop sucks, rest of the hand is fine.
Yes that says it all, no need for more responses...
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Preflop sucks, rest of the hand is fine.
Why? I like his preflop call.

He is getting at least 10-1 making this call. That is the same odds as EVERY person preflop getting in the hand and his hand will win more than that amount of the time. Not only that, he has position on all the players and he is very unlikely to be dominated if he were to hit.

The flop call is only obvious, getting 21-1 to Call he's got most likely 6.5 clean outs here. Although I believe he lost the pot to someone with AA, JJ, or AJ. Otherwise its a good play.

With this action, I'm playing this in the SB too.


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With this action, I'm playing this in the SB too.
That would be throwing away money.

I like this call only because he's going in for half a bet with position but my guess is that it doesn't much matter what he does in the long run. Particularly with no reads yet. Offsuit, unpaired hands just don't get it done and position is important too...
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Old 07-07-2005, 12:24 PM #7 (permalink)  
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I agree tht the PF call was loose and I shouldn't call just because I have a feeling he's bluffing. But As Jeff sais I had position if I hit a miracle flop but I didn't just flopped enough to not be able to lay it down...

Oh as you saw my suspected bluffer folded and I was up against QQ and A8o- MHIG.
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