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50PLO: K-hi flush gets c/r'ed on river on weird board

  
 
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Old 05-18-2010, 06:46 PM     Post subject: 50PLO: K-hi flush gets c/r'ed on river on weird board #1 (permalink)  
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 Villain is very loose, playing 48/33 with 90% stealing over a small sample size (30 hands).

He needs AA, A-7, A-5, or 55 to have me beat here. He may think he has a full boat, aces full of sevens, with just trip aces.

However if he does understand the rules of Omaha, and he's rarely check-raising with worse, I might be getting killed by his range here.

BB: $50.00
UTG: $52.60
MP: $32.25
CO: $102.75
Hero (BTN): $77.85
SB: $71.70

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with K K 3 7
2 folds, CO raises to $1.75, Hero calls $1.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($4.25) 5 7 7 (2 players)
CO bets $2.85, Hero raises to $9, CO calls $6.15

Turn: ($22.25) A (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($22.25) A (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $13, CO raises to $60, Hero?
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Old 05-18-2010, 07:23 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 Hey don't forget 57!

Until further notice I would assume he is not a total goof and fold, if he made some super amazing cr bluff with 7x or a missed wrap good for him. If he's value betting a worse hand or doesn't know the rules of Omaha (where did that idea come from?) you can get the money soon enough.

It's actually pretty hard for him to get here with Axxx since the Ad came (without having a boat). If he has a wrap+ fd hand that got there I doubt he would turn it into a bluff now.
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Old 05-18-2010, 11:18 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 What hands are calling on this river?

I would bet small, like $5-8 so you get called wider, if he was likely to c/r I would just check behind.
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Old 05-18-2010, 11:58 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 a lot of interesting streets in this one. Am I the only one not loving stack-sizes+raising this flop with our hand? If villain wants to get in stacks on this flop we usually have 2-5 outs and he's going to fold a lot of hands we dominate and have blockers to i.e. 46xx combos, worse fd's, etc...

I'd usually just flat flop unless I had ghey-raised him on flops recently and he had folded. If that was the case then I could see making a small raise and betting turn and river but that still seems thin with 150BBs.

The river seems like a really easy check behind considering he didn't bet/call the flop with the nfd which weights his range to full houses and naked 7xxx hands that aren't calling a bet.
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Old 05-19-2010, 06:03 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 I'm torn on flop, I def agree that if raising the flop is good we should also bet the turn. Depends why OP thinks he doesn't know the rules of omaha, if he's that bad I think bbb is good
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Old 05-20-2010, 03:53 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 Since villain was playing super loose I felt that raising the flop would get him to call with overpairs + flush draws and maybe even dry overpairs. I don't think he raises anything except better 7-x's and I don't mind folding to another raise. After the flop I think a huge part of his range is AAxx, and I figured it would be best to check it back and see what he does on the river.

I feel like a lot of fishy players at PLO don't realize that hands like AKQJ here only have AAAxx, not AAA77. In hold'em an ace is pretty much the nuts here, and they don't realize it works differently in Omaha.

Fwiw I called and the villain showed AKQQ with no diamonds.

bigspenda you don't think he has any bare AAA type hands that he's check calling with? Or worse flushes? I thought this was the easiest value bet in the world.
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 the guy is a little loose/aggro over 30 hands but I feel you're making a lot of results-oriented assumptions here and your entire thought process about the hand is clearly completely different than mine

I can see getting a naked overpair to call teh flop but once the board runs out Ax-Ad is just unlikely that he

-called flop with a worse fd
-called flop with AAxx

I don't feel like his hand will ever contain an ace that doesn't have us beat and it seems like you were fortunate to be up against someone this retarded as well as them having like the one hand combo you could conceivably beat on the end.
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Old 05-20-2010, 12:56 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 btw I saw this hand on 2p2 before I saw it here and it kinda sucks you didn't get any responses from anyone with a pulse but maybe one person
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