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Old 02-14-2010, 01:44 AM     Post subject: 50PLO - bad turn card OOP #1 (permalink)  
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 Villain is big winner, but we have barely played vs each other at all given that I just started 50PLO this morning...

Also, what if this completes my straight, like the Jd. Is going for a C/R still crazy. There is quite a bit of money left on this turn.

or c/c, lead shovel any d and c?

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BTN: $50.40
SB: $149.20
BB: $10.00
UTG: $62.25
Hero (CO): $85.20

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with 7 8 T A
UTG raises to $1.75, Hero calls $1.75, BTN calls $1.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($6.00) 8 4 9 (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $5.50, BTN calls $5.50, UTG folds

Turn: ($17.00) 7 (2 players)
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Old 02-14-2010, 02:19 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 Is that a winning defend preflop?

as played I would bet you have so much equity I don't see why btn would slowplay anything on flop. You also have a blocker to 10J fwiw.



 
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Old 02-14-2010, 02:52 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Is that a winning defend preflop?
Are you questioning playing the hand, saying I should raise?, or ...
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Old 02-14-2010, 05:12 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 I would rather CR but worried he will check back two pair then call the river.

I would bet and bet all the flush cards and 4s if he checks back, maybe some other random stuff if it feels good
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Is that a winning defend preflop?
Are you questioning playing the hand, saying I should raise?, or ...
I was thinking fold preflop. UTG open, your hand doesn't seem strong enough to play without the initiative. I'm mostly just questioning it as I haven't played a ton of PLO. My holdem brain is telling me unless you flop a straight or a huge draw your gonna be putting money in with the second best hand a lot. In holdem vs a solid player your not gonna make money defending any combination of that hand except maybe the Ac8c and even that is a borderline defend.



 
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Old 02-14-2010, 07:56 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 6 hand metaphor is good but you're taking it too far, this 4 card combo plays much better than say T8o or any of the off suits Ax. I would never fold this pre unless the btn was crazy aggro (or this guy is that good) and if it was that extreme i would uncheck auto post right then.

I think the biggest benefit is this hand plays pretty easy. what sort of spots will we put it in second best?
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I was going to say that calling with 3 to a rundown + suited Ace seems standard, we're not going broke on Ax flops or even with Aces up very often. Although I guess if he's good he's not putting much money in on a board with two clubs or a 972 rainbow board.
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6 hand metaphor is good but you're taking it too far, this 4 card combo plays much better than say T8o or any of the off suits Ax. I would never fold this pre unless the btn was crazy aggro (or this guy is that good) and if it was that extreme i would uncheck auto post right then.

I think the biggest benefit is this hand plays pretty easy. what sort of spots will we put it in second best?
Fair enough. I'd have no problem defending ip vs a co open but I figured utg people are probably raising much nittier in omaha since they are more likely to limp a wide range compared to holdem. Plus unlike holdem I don't think your always staking over pairs on say a 784 two tone board. That was the reason I thought preflop was maybe questionable.



 
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 you're never stacking over pairs on 874 nor FWIW should you be putting your stack in with out a flush draw.

even against nitty openers with lots of AA/KKxx and AKQT types our hand plays great, you're giving too much credit to the difference between the top 5% and the top 20%, those hands are much closer to each other than HE. For example, we are 57/43 vs KKQJds red and only 2/1 dog vs AAQJds red
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 Ok Meeloche, wasn't sure your angle

I've talked to a couple other people recently who doubt the usefulness of suited A 3card run down hands. The hand plays very well when it hits, and we have position.

Since we have the A, if we flop top 2 we can discount the villain having AAxx. We also will often have a straight draw to go with the top2.
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Old 02-28-2010, 08:55 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Preflop is massively standard in that position is so huge that the fact you don't have initiative rarely makes that much of a difference and you would love to have multiple callers with this hand, given it plays well multi way. If you are folding pre, you should not be playing 6 max. Flop is standard and I like sizing. Turn is interesting, if hes really floaty and loves to call these types of boards its a very easy c/r given his range is massively wider than JT and he might bet fold the second nuts, you are never in horrible shape when he does have JT or a straight. Bet/calling has merits but I would prefer to take this hand down on the turn keeping his range wide as possible with the airish hands that called flop that will usually bet/fold turn.
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