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saywhat2
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03-07-2006, 02:17 AM
Post subject: 5000 hands from hell
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Straight
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I am about 20,000 hands plus into this fixed thing.
I am stuck in a losing streak I can’t seem to shake. I have just played 5000 hands from hell. I am playing at the 1-2 Fixed tables on Absolute. My first 15,000 hands at the fixed tables went very well. I showed a profit of over 1000 dollars and a BB per 100 over 4. Well my last 5000 hands have been the exact opposite and I am seeing things that are absolutely incredible. I have lost 300n dollars in the last 5000 hands. Besides the fact that my money is disappearing all my other stats seem the same. As far as flops seen, aggression ect….. I find this fixed game so frustrating. I feel like I have no control over the game. Very different from NL where I have a ton of confidence and I always feel in control. I am sure I have played millions of hands in NL and I am sure I have never had a run like this. RR flushes and 2 card suck outs are a certainty. I had a 250 hands run tonight where outside the 2 times I stole the blinds I lost every pot I entered. 2 sets 1 st8 1 flush kings twice all up in smoke. Anyway real frustrated would appreciate some feedback.
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STIdrivr
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play no limit...
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mike4066
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by STIdrivr
play no limit...
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Wrong answer. He came here asking for help with his LHE game and the "play NL joke" is old and busted, the new hotness is actually helping people..
Post some hands that you think you may have misplayed or had questions with.
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StinkyBeaver
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if you where running 4bb/100, then this is kind a expected unless you are an expert.
If you are up 700$ over 20K hands the you are almost doing 2BB/100 which is very solid.
Bad runs happen to all of us, if you learn to deal wuth it and not tilt and remain disciplined then You'll be fine. Just don't expect to be a 4b/100 winner b/c so few players can do this.
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thenonsequitur
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03-07-2006, 12:57 PM
Post subject: Re: 5000 hands from hell
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Full House
Join Date: Nov 2004
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Welcome to the ups and downs of limit poker. Compared to NL, it is expected that you will see a lot more ridiculous phenomena simply because you will see so many more hands go to showdown.
150BB is a heavy downswing, but not unheard of. But do consider that most (but not all) downswings this big are at least partially caused by tilt or scared play. I've had a few swings this big or bigger, and I am certain that while I was on terrible bad streaks each time this happened, tilt or weak play definitely factored into the losses. So my main advice to you is make sure you are still playing your best game, even if it seems like your best game isn't working at all.
And equally as importantly, don't give up. You need to let yourself play enough hands to where losing hand after hand after hand won't affect your confidence level.
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Renton
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Originally Posted by STIdrivr
play no limit...
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ya that way his downswing can be 3000 dollars instead of 300.
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saywhat2
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Straight
Join Date: Jan 2006
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I appreciate the feed back guys. When I checked the first response last night I found it a little harsh but than again it takes all kinds. I would be lying if I said that this run has not affected the way I play. I fell like I start off playing my best game but after some real bad beats my play has been affected. This is normally not the case. But it doesn’t take more than 1 or 2 hands for me to realize I am on tilt and get up and walk away.
I will post some hands tonight when I get home. Also I am just getting use to poker tracker if there are some stats I can post that would help let me know. My aggression factor is 1.6 including preflop. And Total flops seen is 21.6%. 9 player tables.
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euphoricism
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When I checked the first response last night I found it a little harsh but than again it takes all kinds.
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He wasn't being harsh. Just an NL player who thinks theyre being funny. Ha! Ha!
One thing you'll notice throughout your limit career is that it will always seem like two steps forward and one step back. Youll run great for a while, then run like shit. If you play well, you WILL come out ahead. The math gaurentees it.
Keep your head clear. Thats the most important part.
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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Euphoricism, thanks for that post, i really needed that myself.
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urobolus
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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Wow...guess I should stfu about my only winning eighteen out of 380.
Makes me embarassed to have posted the thread about not being able to win no matter what...
...although that's having lost 361 hands to the same players every week who are less experienced and less knowledgeable--there's nothing worse than being called a "bad" or, <sigh>, "terrible" poker player by people whose strategy consists of winning on the river.
Although I contend it is still a problem with dignity, not hubris.
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drtofu66
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He did say he was playing on Absolute....
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sinky
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saywhat2 :
How you handle your first big downswing can "make you or break you".
I switched to limit about 7 months ago. After reading Small Stakes Holdem (several times), everything went great for 3 months. Then in late November I hit a downswing and finished the month up only $10. No problem right ? Just variance. Then from Dec thru mid Feb I lost a further 500 BB.
Now, from Poker Tracker I know for sure that I have had an incredibly cold run of cards over the last 30K hands, however there is absolutely nothing you can do when a set gets busted on the river buy a gutshot straight. What I can do is go back into my PT database with a cool detached attitude and identify the leaks in my game. The "great" thing about a downswing is that it will highlight many errors that are masked when you are running hot. As an example, here are 2 really fundamental things I quickly found I was doing wrong....
1) Using the SSH starting chart (or any starting chart) too literally. You have to take the time to understand the reason for each decision. For example, limping A6s in MP is fine at a nice loose passive table with 5 or 6 to every flop, but this just does not work when you are whoring the taggy crypto 2/4 tables. I found a nice selection of hands where I was heads up on the flop having been raised by someone in LP.
2) Post flop aggression is good, but over aggression can be costly. I noticed that I had a several hands that were winning there fair % of hands, but were only showing a small profit. I was winning a lot of small pots but when I met resistance I was paying way to much to get to showdown. Because I had been initially running so good, I had lost respect for my opponents raises.
By coincidence, my first downswing started shortly after I purchased Poker Tracker. Looking back I immediately became lazy in taking notes. I would often go through sessions relying only on the Poker Tracker stats provided through GT+. But what is more important ? Knowing that your op has a pf raise % of 10%, or having a note saying "Will open raise with a wide range but is extremly tight against a raise"
So, embrace your downswing and you will emerge from it a lot stronger player.
One last thing, don't just analyse your losing hands. There could be just as many mistakes in the winning hands.
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saywhat2
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Straight
Join Date: Jan 2006
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Wow a 500 BB downswing my head may pop off. Any way I appreciate the feedback. Not getting enough out of the hands I win is definitely one of my problems. I know this. I can tell I am missing to many bets especially at the river. For example I am in front the whole hand a flush card hits the river. I freeze way to often and just check. I know I also need to do a better job of adjusting the hands I play based on the type of table I am at. Example I will never play A6s from mid po if somebody has entered the pot already. Maybe I should consider hands like this. Right now I am seeing like 21.5% of all flops. Some say I am to tight some say just right. And just to be clear I am not looking to switch to fixed limit. As a mater of fact I still play at
Least one NL table at all times. It’s that I know I need to add it to my game. And I can see it can be very profitable.
Quick question 9 player average table table. How do people handle AJos and A10s in first position? Limp, raise, fold. Right now I am folding these two hands in the first 2 positions .
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KWilnor
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03-10-2006, 03:48 AM
Post subject: I f eel your pain
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Join Date: Mar 2006
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I have been playing .50/1 limit and doing fine.
But now in the middle of a 5000 hand slump. Cold cards, hot opponents - the whole works
Full houses losing to bigger full houses, two pair losing to 3 of a kind etc.
I have not tilted but it is depressing after awhile.
I tried switching to 6max but it was no different.
But it is only been a 200BB downswing which I can afford but it sure takes the joy out of the game.
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ArcticKnight
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Flush
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Originally Posted by saywhat2
Quick question 9 player average table table. How do people handle AJos and A10s in first position? Limp, raise, fold. Right now I am folding these two hands in the first 2 positions .
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These two hands are right on the borderline for UTG hands 6max. so I assume folds are correct 9handed.
Though on loose passive 9 handed tables I'd play A10s UTG.
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Gone golfing ..see ya in the Fall of 2006
PS. What did the snail on the turtle's back say?
Wheeeeeeeee........
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