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Old 06-25-2005, 09:09 AM     Post subject: 5/10 ROFL #1 (permalink)  
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 Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP with T, T.
1 fold, Hero raises, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) 7, 9, T (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button folds, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.20 BB) 9 (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls.

River: (15.20 BB) J (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls.

Final Pot: 23.20 BB

Results in white below:
BB has 4d 9h (three of a kind, nines).
Hero has Ts Td (full house, tens full of nines).
Outcome: Hero wins 23.20 BB.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, J.
Hero raises, 3 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.40 SB) K, 3, 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.20 BB) 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

River: (5.20 BB) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.20 BB

Results in white below:
BB has 2s 7h (three of a kind, sevens).
Hero has Kd Jc (two pair, kings and sevens).
Outcome: BB wins 9.20 BB.

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Old 06-25-2005, 10:45 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Amusing. Do people think that because they've already put $5 in the pot that their hands are already pretty good?
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Old 06-25-2005, 11:10 AM #3 (permalink)  
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I had a guy call me down with a flopped fullhouse today at 5/10 haha.
 
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Old 06-28-2005, 12:54 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Preflop: Hero is MP with K, A.
1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: (5.40 SB) 5, 4, 3 (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Turn: (3.70 BB) 9 [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (5.70 BB) Q (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 7.70 BB

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Hero has Kc Ad (high card, ace).
Button has 4h 7d (one pair, fours).
Outcome: Button wins 7.70 BB.


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Old 06-28-2005, 02:30 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Old 06-28-2005, 04:39 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, T.
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (9.40 SB) J, K, A [color:#0000FF](3 players)[/color]
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (6.20 BB) 4 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG calls.

River: (10.20 BB) 5 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 12.20 BB

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UTG has 7h Ac (one pair, aces).
Hero has Qs Tc (straight, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins 12.20 BB.


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Old 06-28-2005, 05:11 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Preflop: Hero is BB with 5, Q.
4 folds, SB raises, Hero calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 4, 7, A (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 2 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (5 BB) A (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.

Final Pot: 9 BB

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SB has Ts Td (two pair, aces and tens).
Hero has 5d Qd (flush, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins 9 BB.

...oops


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Old 06-28-2005, 05:21 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Preflop: Hero is Button with K, A.
1 fold, MP raises, Hero 3-bets, SB caps, 1 fold, MP calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13 SB) Q, A, 6 (3 players)
SB checks, MP bets, Hero raises, SB calls, MP calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) 9 (3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets, SB calls, MP folds.

River: (11.50 BB) 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Kc As (one pair, aces).
SB has 9d Kh (one pair, nines).
Outcome: Hero wins 13.50 BB.

And, a really bad Cold Call (But worked out good)

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Preflop: Hero is Button with J, K.
1 fold, MP raises, CO calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8.40 SB) 5, A, T (5 players)
BB bets, MP raises, CO folds, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (7.20 BB) Q (4 players)
BB checks, MP bets, Hero raises, BB folds, MP calls.

River: (11.20 BB) 6 (3 players)
MP checks, Hero bets, MP calls.

Final Pot: 13.20 BB

Results in white below:
SB has Qs 7d (one pair, queens).
MP has Tc Th (three of a kind, tens).
Hero has Jd Kc (straight, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins 13.20 BB.

I couldn't have played that hand any worse and still won. But, in my defense, MP has a 25 % PFR with a 35 VPIP and the CO is the table calling station. Either way, both the preflop and flop plays were bad, but still fun.


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Old 06-28-2005, 05:26 AM #9 (permalink)  
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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, T.
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (9.40 SB) J, K, A [color:#0000FF](3 players)[/color]
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (6.20 BB) 4 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG calls.

River: (10.20 BB) 5 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 12.20 BB

Results in white below:
UTG has 7h Ac (one pair, aces).
Hero has Qs Tc (straight, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins 12.20 BB.
I dont see anything horrible about your opp's play. They only thing I see is he may find a fold on the turn raise because of your PFR...nice hand
Superb play sir...I always call 20% of my stack off with a gutshot draw. Excuse me while I race for my wallet.
 
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Old 06-28-2005, 05:27 AM #10 (permalink)  
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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, T.
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (9.40 SB) J, K, A [color:#0000FF](3 players)[/color]
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (6.20 BB) 4 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG calls.

River: (10.20 BB) 5 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 12.20 BB

Results in white below:
UTG has 7h Ac (one pair, aces).
Hero has Qs Tc (straight, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins 12.20 BB.
I dont see anything horrible about your opp's play. They only thing I see is he may find a fold on the turn raise because of your PFR...nice hand
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Old 06-28-2005, 05:28 AM #11 (permalink)  
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Sorry I missed the limp...definately poor
Superb play sir...I always call 20% of my stack off with a gutshot draw. Excuse me while I race for my wallet.
 
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Old 06-28-2005, 05:31 AM #12 (permalink)  
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Sorry I missed the limp...definately poor
Its the raise that has me laughing.


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Sorry I missed the limp...definately poor
Its the raise that has me laughing.
I realize that...I meant I missed the utg limp/raise...forgot to put raise there.
Superb play sir...I always call 20% of my stack off with a gutshot draw. Excuse me while I race for my wallet.
 
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Old 06-29-2005, 05:29 PM #14 (permalink)  
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ROFLed the limp-reraise with A7o.
I see this fairly often from LAgg's with vulnerable hands like any A and small PP when it gets heads up preflop.
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Preflop: Hero is BB with 5, Q.
4 folds, SB raises, Hero calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 4, 7, A (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 2 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (5 BB) A (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.

Final Pot: 9 BB

Results in white below:
SB has Ts Td (two pair, aces and tens).
Hero has 5d Qd (flush, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins 9 BB.

...oops
This would be a good time to raise the turn if SB has a fairly wide stealing range and isn't remarkably passive. I'd love to take the pot down on the turn.
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Old 06-29-2005, 05:47 PM #16 (permalink)  
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Preflop: Hero is BB with 5, Q.
4 folds, SB raises, Hero calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 4, 7, A (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 2 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (5 BB) A (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.

Final Pot: 9 BB

Results in white below:
SB has Ts Td (two pair, aces and tens).
Hero has 5d Qd (flush, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins 9 BB.

...oops
The flop call looks a bit too thin to me. How many outs do you think you have?
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Old 06-29-2005, 08:42 PM #17 (permalink)  
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Old 06-29-2005, 10:15 PM #18 (permalink)  
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The flop call looks a bit too thin to me. How many outs do you think you have?
Yeah,pretty thin, at most 6 with two backdoors and 3 Queens.


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Old 06-29-2005, 11:52 PM #19 (permalink)  
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This would be a good time to raise the turn if SB has a fairly wide stealing range and isn't remarkably passive. I'd love to take the pot down on the turn.

...I see, such as:

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K, J.
UTG calls, 3 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (7 SB) T, 5, Q (7 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG folds, MP2 folds, MP3 raises, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) T (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero raises, MP3 folds.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB


I'm actually surprised to see a fold.


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Turn: (5.50 BB) T (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero raises, MP3 folds.
Not sure if I like the turn c/r here based on his flop raise. On this board, what is he raising the flop w/? It looks like you probably got A high or a small PP to fold here, however, I don't know if this play is going to get our opponent to fold often enough to do it frequently. Also, if your oppenent 3bets, what's your play?
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Old 06-30-2005, 01:36 PM #21 (permalink)  
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I think I'll move up with my ENTIRE bankroll
Variance of this game could EASYILY snap your roll off then what happens?

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Old 06-30-2005, 01:50 PM #22 (permalink)  
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Not sure if I like the turn c/r here based on his flop raise. On this board, what is he raising the flop w/? It looks like you probably got A high or a small PP to fold here, however, I don't know if this play is going to get our opponent to fold often enough to do it frequently. Also, if your oppenent 3bets, what's your play?
I'd count at least 15 outs, so his chances of drawing out coupled with folding equity make it a good play. If you consider only the bluff component of this semi-bluff, he's risking about 2/3 of a bet to win 6.5, so he needs a fold only about 9% of the time to make it +EV.

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If your opponent three-bets, call and suck out.
I'm not a fan of putting in the most bets when I'm behind. When he 3bets, I'm thinking my c/r bluff was a bad idea.
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Old 06-30-2005, 06:27 PM #24 (permalink)  
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If your opponent three-bets, call and suck out.
I'm not a fan of putting in the most bets when I'm behind. When he 3bets, I'm thinking my c/r bluff was a bad idea.

Its not a bluff. Its a semi-bluff and I very well could have the best hand. If he three bets here then he's got a ten but a check/raise turn symbolizes strength. He most likely has a Q or less, so my King is also good here. Since this was both an open ended straight and a flush draw, this play should work.


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Its not a bluff. Its a semi-bluff and I very well could have the best hand. If he three bets here then he's got a ten but a check/raise turn symbolizes strength. He most likely has a Q or less, so my King is also good here. Since this was both an open ended straight and a flush draw, this play should work.
If he calls your c/r, do you bet your K high river? Do you bet a J? Do you bet a K? Our c/r makes for an uncomfortable river situation.

I also wouldn't underestimate a Q 3-betting here - which is a hand we would certainly like to see a river card against.
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I'm not a fan of putting in the most bets when I'm behind. When he 3bets, I'm thinking my c/r bluff was a bad idea.
Is calling a bet in a 12 bet pot with only a gutshot draw a bad idea?

Just because something doesn't work the majority of the time doesn't mean it's a bad play.

Look at it this way: you're not folding the turn, so you're putting in one bet here no matter what. What's bad about investing a little bit more in hopes of inducing a fold, especially when you'll get that bet back 1/3 of the time after you make your draw?

In my experience, you're much more likely to get a fold with a check/raise than by leading the turn.
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If he calls your c/r, do you bet your K high river? Do you bet a J? Do you bet a K?
Yes, and, Yes. Although I'm seeing both showdowns here, but just check/calling will never induce a fold.


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Is calling a bet in a 12 bet pot with only a gutshot draw a bad idea?
Not at all. But your statement fails to acknowledge that you've already put in 2 bets (by c/ring) with, very likely, the 2nd best hand. Not to mention, we are heads up. If our opponent calls, we are getting 1-1 on our money. As opposed to a 3 way pot where we can get 2-1 from callers.

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Just because something doesn't work the majority of the time doesn't mean it's a bad play.
Can you explain this? If c/r only works here less than 50% of the time, how is that "not a bad play"?

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Look at it this way: you're not folding the turn, so you're putting in one bet here no matter what. What's bad about investing a little bit more in hopes of inducing a fold, especially when you'll get that bet back 1/3 of the time after you make your draw?

In my experience, you're much more likely to get a fold with a check/raise than by leading the turn.
Based on your first sentence, your opponent shouldn't be folding any reasonable hand either since the pot will lay him proper odds.
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Can you explain this? If c/r only works here less than 50% of the time, how is that "not a bad play"?
A c/r costs you 2 big bets to win a pot considerably larger than that. Hence, you can fail more than 50% and be profitable. Then, throw in the chance of out-drawing them on the river or even having the best hand...
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Is calling a bet in a 12 bet pot with only a gutshot draw a bad idea?
Not at all. But your statement fails to acknowledge that you've already put in 2 bets (by c/ring) with, very likely, the 2nd best hand.
The fact that it's two bets only changes the pot odds calculation, which I have fully considered in my analysis. The fact that my hand is likely second best is precisely what makes this a semibluff. I'm not putting in two bets with the idea that I'm ahead, though it is remotely possible.

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Not to mention, we are heads up. If our opponent calls, we are getting 1-1 on our money. As opposed to a 3 way pot where we can get 2-1 from callers.
Tell me this: what am I getting on my money if my opponent folds? I'm not looking for a call, so what I am getting on my money if I am called is irrelevant, except insomuch as it reduces the cost of my semibluff.

Bottom line, there are lots of hands I want folding here, and many of them will if I check/raise. If he calls or three-bets, I still have outs to win the pot.

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Just because something doesn't work the majority of the time doesn't mean it's a bad play.
Can you explain this? If c/r only works here less than 50% of the time, how is that "not a bad play"?
This question makes me wonder if you understand the concept of bluffing at all. Even a stone cold check-raise bluff only has to work less than 25% of the time to be successful (i.e., +EV).

I have already mentioned that the bluff component of the check raise is equivalent to about 2/3 of a bet, and you stand to win 6.5 bets if it works. As a result, you only need a fold about 9% of the time. It doesn't have to work very often to be profitable.

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Look at it this way: you're not folding the turn, so you're putting in one bet here no matter what. What's bad about investing a little bit more in hopes of inducing a fold, especially when you'll get that bet back 1/3 of the time after you make your draw?

In my experience, you're much more likely to get a fold with a check/raise than by leading the turn.
Based on your first sentence, your opponent shouldn't be folding any reasonable hand either since the pot will lay him proper odds.
That's just wrong. Your check/raise tells him that he has to call two more bets to win the pot since he'll expect a river bet. That's two bets to win 8.5 bets, so a lot of mediocre hands will have incentive to fold. Ace high, KJ, JJ, or pocket pairs 66-99 will have a hard time calling the check/raise. Heck, KQ, QJ, might even fold based on the T, which would be huge. You have to consider the fact that your opponent will give you credit for a stronger hand if you check raise.
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