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Monty9

07-19-2006, 12:53 PM Post subject: 5/10 always like this

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Hello again,

First let me start by saying I know I did a bad thing and moved up a stake without the proper BR.
It was bad BR management. The results however were unreal.

I just returned from a week vacation without playing any poker. That as a side bar is something I highly recommend. Clears the mind.

I returned to my $900 BR and playing 3/6 for most of the weekend along with a few NL S&Gs.

After a few days it was the same old BS. up a little down a little.
3/6 seemed like a crap shoot, lots of calling stations or Maniacs.

I stopped and just did some S&Gs and while I was playing I observed a few 5/10 tables.

WTF... It looked way softer than 3/6 so GULP .... I gave it a try.
In about and hour and a half I turned 250 into 950. Yes I got lucky a few times, yes I hit a lot of good cards and filled my draws.

I proceeded to play a few more days at this level with teh caviat that I go down when I lost a 250 buy in. Still here.

The real point ... I am really surprised how soft these tables are. Honestly so many players are clueless. I assumed that the higher stakes were harder. Maybe I did just get lucky and variance will bite my ass but everytime I open a table I see the same thing. I am however selecting my tables a little more careully and found myself leaving if some new players changed the tempo of the table.

Another surprising thing is the number of "short" buy-ins there were, guys sitting down with less than 100 was common?? That I don't get. To me these guys are easy money.

One guy I couldn't believe went through 4 buy-ins in like an hour. He played every hand, was raising often and usually had nothing.

This was at Party. are the other sites like this as well??

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Nehmer

07-19-2006, 02:38 PM

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You got lucky plain and simple. 5/10 at Party is definately a decent amount tougher than 3/6 except maybe on Friday/Saturday nights where both get easier. Even if you did find the best 5/10 table ever, turning 250 into 950 in an hour and a half is complete luck. It means you were getting very very good cards and can't expect the results you were seeing to even remotely continue. That said, it is not smart at all to play 3/6 with less than an 1800 bankroll and 5/10 without a 3000 bankroll(I'd actually still recommend higher for both). These bankrolls would still be needed even if the higher stake games were easier.

Miffed22001

07-19-2006, 03:58 PM

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if you knew enough about lhe youd know you could quite easily have pissed you bankroll away in that one session.

ihategnomes

07-19-2006, 06:12 PM

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Your not not even rolled for 2/4 let alone 3/6 or 5/10.

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thenonsequitur

07-19-2006, 06:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nehmer

That said, it is not smart at all to play 3/6 with less than an 1800 bankroll and 5/10 without a 3000 bankroll(I'd actually still recommend higher for both).

These are pretty liberal numbers too. I like playing with a more conservative bankroll of 600 for 1/2, 1200 for 2/4, 2400 for 3/6, and 5000 for 5/10. This translates to different BB requirements for different stakes; I think this makes sense because as you move up the low stakes, the games get more aggressive and opponents get better, introducing more variance.

6high

07-19-2006, 07:30 PM

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You got lucky plain and simple.

Winrate is only a function of luck and your relative skill compared with players at your table. It's entirely possible you happened on a table of complete morons. This happens, good for you. But be aware that you got very lucky as well.

Take your win and move down. Build your way to new levels and you'll never have to question why you are losing money because you'll know it's variance.

You are so fresh that you don't even know half of the leaks that you need to fix before moving to 5/10. If you stay, sooner or later, those leaks will results in BUSTO!

Take pleasure in crushing a level before moving up.

Monty9

07-19-2006, 08:42 PM

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Thanks for all the grief,

Really.

I feel like an ass but after I did it I checked through the forums and stickie's and found Rilla's BR Management Guide.

Get a good laugh on me but when I read it I took BB to mean Big Blinds.
so his 300BB looked like 1500 to me. Oops.

I am headilngback down. I have a 2k BR right now so I'll hang with 3/6.

Thanks again for the slap across the face.

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LimpinAintEZ

07-19-2006, 08:51 PM

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don't listen to any of them! Do whatever you want - i hear the best lessons are self taught, right - So unless you go and lose your BR, you will never know what you coulda been - If you are doing well, keep with it - why not? As long as the money isn't a strain, then go for it - YES, you SHOULD be properly rolled, but i don't see anything wrong with sitting in a soft game and taking a shot -

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midas06

07-19-2006, 11:06 PM

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terrible advise

there's a difference between taking a shot and staying at a limit underrolled.

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07-19-2006, 11:17 PM

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well what about Pro's who have to borrow money, or guys who have to be staked for a bit - I mean obviously they aren't properly bankrolled, but if they are getting staked they are probably good enough to be playing those high levels, right? I think the problem with those guys is just money management - they are good enough to play there though....Im not 100% positive, but i'm guessing that most serious poker players are pretty much action whores, and win/lose a LOT of money playing non - poker activities where they have no edge...

And he didn't say he was staying - he said it was soft and he took a shot -

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midas06

07-19-2006, 11:40 PM

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would you want to be staked rather than winning money for yourself? If you're playing underrolled, odds are that you're going to go busto regardless of your skill level.

The point of his OP was whether this level was always this tough, hence whether he should always play at higher stakes over lower stakes.

LimpinAintEZ

07-20-2006, 04:13 AM

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i need to be staked - i am ready for 25/50 NL with the big boys - H@LL got nothing on me!

kidding - big time

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Monty9

07-20-2006, 12:49 PM

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Thanks again for all your replies.

I know its not advocated here but yes I took a shot. Got lucky, boosted my roll and will be hanging back down.

I may "take a shot again" if the conditions are right. I did exercise some caution, I watched for awhile and it looked very soft and was for that particular table. For the remainder of the weekend I chose my tables carefully and luckily I guessed right.

Maybe too much of a GAMBOOL, but as has been said before and debated quite a bit, some of the mind set of playing poker is for "recreation".

I usually exercise BR management as it propagates itself to allowing you to keep playing.

On the other side for simple "recreation and entertainment" my poker playing has replaced golfing,skiing and taking expesive fishing and hunting trips. ( due mostly to having a family now, and having most of my free time late at night).

So that $250 I staked myself at 5/10 replaced a weekend of golf.

I don't advocate it and know it goes against the intent of all that is written here but it is what it is.

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ihategnomes

07-20-2006, 04:24 PM

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I play golf every week, sometimes 2-3 hours away and have failed to spend $250

The only thing everyone was trying to say, you could have played 100% perfect, which is not possible, and still could have flushed your entire roll down the toliet.

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elipsesjeff

07-20-2006, 05:53 PM

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Guh, I dont even know where to start but thanks everyone for the proper bashing, and politely for that matter as we didnt scare him off.

You'd be surprised at the number of high limit 'pros' on 2p2 that got their BR by getting lucky when they took a shot. Very few can honestly say they put in the time and effort to grind it out. There was a thread on it or something like a year ago.

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6high

07-20-2006, 07:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

You'd be surprised at the number of high limit 'pros' on 2p2 that got their BR by getting lucky when they took a shot.

Yeh. Most of them won a stupid tournament or something.

Anyway, it might have been the same thread, I can't remember but someone posted about the Peter Principle.

Basically, the Peter Principle states that most players continue to advance through the stakes until they reach a level that exceeds their skill level. So, most people are playing outside of their abilities. When some of these people get lucky moving up, they may be playing 2-3 levels above a level they can successfully beat in the long term.

Don' t let it be you. Be the one taking advantage not the one being taken advantage of.

Miffed22001

07-22-2006, 01:56 AM

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ill join that list, my br is mainly from nl games even though im now im a decent winner at 3/6 and above.

I still havent got a large enough sample size to show i can beat 2/4.

midas06

07-22-2006, 03:21 AM

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you should probably play 2/4 for like 20k hands. Shouldn't take too long and if you want to play 5/10 and up like you've told me you should crush 2/4

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07-25-2006, 06:58 PM

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... Wow. I thought 600 would be enough to handle my swings... 1800 here I come. 300 BB. Good god.

The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?

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