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bencathers

01-11-2006, 09:22 PM Post subject: 5/10 6-max aggression against weak opponents

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Preflop: bencathers is BB with 8

, A

.
UTG calls, MP raises, 3 folds, bencathers calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) 2

, 8

, 6

(3 players)
bencathers bets, UTG raises, MP folds, bencathers 3-bets, UTG calls.

Turn: (6.20 BB) T

(2 players)
bencathers bets, UTG calls.

River: (8.20 BB) 5

(2 players)
bencathers bets, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 10.20 BB

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Preflop: bencathers is BB with 3

, 3

.
UTG calls, 1 fold, Button raises, 1 fold, bencathers calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) T

, 2

(3 players)
bencathers checks, UTG checks, Button bets, bencathers raises, UTG folds, Button calls.

Turn: (5.20 BB) 5

(2 players)
bencathers bets, Button calls.

River: (7.20 BB) 7

(2 players)
bencathers bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 9.20 BB

and this hand is against a guy who bought in for 70 dollars (gambool!)

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Preflop: bencathers is Button with T

, T

.
UTG raises, 2 folds, bencathers 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB) 6

, 3

, J

(2 players)
UTG bets, bencathers raises, UTG calls.

Turn: (5.70 BB) 3

(2 players)
UTG bets, bencathers raises, UTG calls.

River: (9.70 BB) Q

(2 players)
UTG checks, bencathers bets, UTG calls $7.50 (All-In).

Final Pot: 11.45 BB

Dealer: bencathers has two pair, Aces and Deuces
Dealer: Tbags has two pair, Kings and Jacks
Dealer: Tbags finished the tournament in 256th place
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ArcticKnight

01-12-2006, 12:34 AM

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hand #1 you called pre-flop and it seems standard postflop- I don't see anything that would distinguish it as aggressive.

hand #2 -aggressive would be 3 betting pre-flop.
What was your goal with the flop raise (not questioning it, just wondering what you were looking for - information, a fold??)

hand #3 I like the flop raise but after the turn bet by Villian, you have to be pretty sure that your raise is building your pot and not his. I don't see much value in this raise, as you can't be forcing a bad (worse!) price for a draw, as there are no draws. also, passive/weak players tend to check/call here and he has bet into you.

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bencathers

01-12-2006, 05:05 PM

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Well these were just shown to demonstrate weak opponents in the 5/10 world and shoving their raises right back at them... and showing how to detect the signs when someone has an overpair and someone is just using position/stack to bully themselves in the game

First hand I was called by 7-7, I just view it as more aggressive as the holding is weak but its shoving back the raise to a guy who could be holding a stronger hand... and when to detect if someone hit their hand or is holding something better

Second Hand I was called by A3o, which I guess I should say thanks. This was a simple demonstration of how someone who is using position, but refusing to fold even when obvious they are beat. Demonstrating the proper times to bluff and not (obviously this guy is unbluffable)

Third was 5-5, but this was showing how against a thinking player, on that board/aggression, someone may be tempted to fold to two overs/possibility of an overpair... but then again, most thinking players don't buy in for 7 big bets

elipsesjeff

01-12-2006, 06:29 PM

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In hand 1, I fold A8o on the BB to a raise from MP1. Its too likely to be dominated.

Otherwise, your play looks fine to normal. The only exception is, if these opponents had folded to your aggression at any point, then you lost money.

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Xanadu

01-22-2006, 04:51 PM

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There is a very good reason for the flop raise on hand 2. This is a standard play for me. 33 is probably the best hand. Almost all players will bet any holding on the button here. Most players will also call for 1 bet on the flop with any holding. The hand is a big favorite to hold up against 1 opponent, but much less likely against 2. Facing UTG with calling 2 cold is the money play here. It is very profitable if UTG folds.

I disagree with folding A8o from the BB to a single raise in hand 1. This completely depends on the type of player MP1 is. If the PFR% is running much above 25%, they are almost definitely raising any Ace. If this is the case, it is more likely (6:5) that A8 dominates the raiser! If on the other hand if the raiser's PFR% is much below 20%, they almost definitely don't raise any old offsuit Ace, and you can start to consider folding. Personally, I wouldn't consider folding unless the PFR was below about 15%, but I haven't done the math on that, so I'm not sure it is the correct percentage. It's quite important to know what hands a certain percentage correlates to. The only chart I really use has hands listed in 2% blocks arranged for how they hold up against random hands in a 3-way pot.

jmontis

01-31-2006, 07:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

In hand 1, I fold A8o on the BB to a raise from MP1. Its too likely to be dominated.

interesting, this is something I need to work on.

take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately

Xanadu

01-31-2006, 07:24 PM

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elipsesjeff wrote:
In hand 1, I fold A8o on the BB to a raise from MP1. Its too likely to be dominated.

interesting, this is something I need to work on.

Read my post here ... it is very true that you should fold this against a tight pre-flop raiser, but against a loose raiser you have the better of it.

elipsesjeff

01-31-2006, 08:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Xanadu

I disagree with folding A8o from the BB to a single raise in hand 1. This completely depends on the type of player MP1 is. If the PFR% is running much above 25%, they are almost definitely raising any Ace. If this is the case, it is more likely (6:5) that A8 dominates the raiser! If on the other hand if the raiser's PFR% is much below 20%, they almost definitely don't raise any old offsuit Ace, and you can start to consider folding. Personally, I wouldn't consider folding unless the PFR was below about 15%, but I haven't done the math on that, so I'm not sure it is the correct percentage. It's quite important to know what hands a certain percentage correlates to. The only chart I really use has hands listed in 2% blocks arranged for how they hold up against random hands in a 3-way pot.

Truthfully, your statement reflects to the value of any two cards in relation to whatever read you have on your opponents Preflop raises. Given that, at best you are a 3:2 favorite against any Kx hands where x is above a 8. On top of that, you are out of position facing a preflop raisor (with initiative) and a fully disguised hand. Thus, you are likely to get the least amount of chips when ahead but pay the most when behind. AND, lest you forget the UTG limper whom may or may not have any 2 cards..

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