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08-30-2008, 10:03 PM Post subject: .5/1 6-max

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Hand 1: villain is 32/11/1

Full Tilt Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is SB with K

, 10

UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, UTG calls

Flop: (5.0 SB) 4

, 10

, 7

(2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls

Turn: (3.5 BB) 6

(2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls

River: (5.5 BB) A

(2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero folds, 1 fold

Total pot: 7.5 BB

Hand 2:
converter won't convert
mag is 53/8/1.3
jon is 35/22/1.7
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okiman

08-31-2008, 06:02 AM

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You know my inexperience compared to most here, small stakes I play, and that I'm a fr player, so take this with a grain of salt.

Hand 1, I don't see how villian has a hand that would be scared of the A you want to fold. JJ, QQ, KK should have raised you preflop, on the flop, and/or on the turn. Also, some players w/ AK, AQ love to go for the c/r here (for some idiotic reason). That might slow JJ, QQ, KK down if for any reason you are up against them and get a free showdown for you. But that really seems like a slim/none possibility given the previous action. The river gives a lot of chasing callers a better hand. With all the draws filled by the turn and river, I'd rather save the bet for a c/c and allow 88, 99, and draws that missed like J8, KQ, and club flush draws a chance to bluff at the pot. I think your river bet gets worse hands to fold and better hands to call/raise. But I've become a bit of a river nit lately overcompensating for my previous river aggression. Again, take it for what little it's worth.

Hand 2, every indication is you are behind the whole way. What hand 3-bets preflop and on the flop, plus leads the turn that you are ahead of? The relatively low agg factors combined with preflop/flop/turn aggression seem to indicate a stronger hand too. Do players at 6-max play AK, AQ this aggressively? I really don't know the answer.

By the way, iopq, what is the change from fr to 6-max like? I know aggression goes up as does variance. Do you like the 6-max game better? And how do you like FT? Do they have a good bonus/player reward/rakeback program?

08-31-2008, 01:31 PM

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people call me down with second pair to the river a lot, but I see what you're saying

I'm trying to err on the side of calling because calling slightly too much is a mistake of 1BB, but folding too much is a mistake of the whole pot

I really should try to remember PF action when I play because usually I have no idea while playing... I'll go to another table fold j2o, and forget who 3-bet PF in the other hand

Fnord

08-31-2008, 01:48 PM

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Fnord is an unknown quantity at this point

The river such a good card to bluff on in the first hand. I'd look him up.

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DrivingDog

08-31-2008, 03:11 PM

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Hand 1: That river card hits a pretty decent portion of his range. One problem with b/c is that there isn't a lot of his range that we beat that calls the river. A lot of Tx hands would raise the flop or turn. A hand like 87 or 65 is going to have a hard time paying us off. The other problem is we lose two bets when we're behind and the pot is too big to consider folding.

If we c/c we can minimise our losses when behind and encourage Villian to bluff when he has air. He might even value bet a lot of those 87, 65, etc. hands that he wouldn't call with. I think it more likely he bets the worst hand if we check to him than bluff-raises if we bet.

Hand 2: If we treat CO like a standard player, the range of hands he could have preflop is heavily weighted towards a big Ace or a big pair. Once he 3bets the flop after we capped preflop, he almost has to have TT+, and chances are it's not JJ. Just maybe he has 99 or (rarely) AK, but then those hands don't raise the river. It's tough to fold an overpair but I think we can on this river.

On the turn: The pot's too big to fold at this point, but raising to try and shut out UTG+1 doesn't seem like a good idea either. I think we're behind so often that it's actually a mistake. If (on average) our equity is 5-10% it's not really worth protecting, and most of the time we will just be charging ourselves extra to draw to what is usually a two-outter.

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socal1111

09-01-2008, 02:13 AM

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CC #1. Love to induce there... min. loss.

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Ragnar4

09-01-2008, 06:18 AM

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yeah. I'm with Socal1111 on that.. check/call.

Bet fold isn't much worse, and is still probably a good play.

The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?

09-01-2008, 09:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by okiman

By the way, iopq, what is the change from fr to 6-max like? I know aggression goes up as does variance. Do you like the 6-max game better? And how do you like FT? Do they have a good bonus/player reward/rakeback program?

I seriously induce bluffs with most of my hands, I play like a god damn nit. Being aggresive doesn't pay off against people who call you down with their mid pps, second pairs, etc. I only cbet when the conditions are very favorable. In full ring I'd cbet almost every time.
I'm currently clearing my $600 bonus on FT. I'm supposed to get $77 in rakeback too.

09-02-2008, 09:57 AM

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Speaking of folding on the river, the villain is terribad 73.7/5.3/0.42 over 19
Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with A

UTG folds, UTG+1 raises, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: 7

(8SB, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, SB calls.

Turn: 8

(5.5BB, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 folds, SB calls.

River: 8

(7.5BB, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to SB.

Results:
Final pot: 9.5BB

DrivingDog

09-02-2008, 11:39 AM

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What is he supposed to have? 86? 98? I smell a desparation bluff or some kind of retarded 3 pair slowplay like 75 or A7 much more than 1/10 times here. Look him up please.

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09-02-2008, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DrivingDog

What is he supposed to have? 86? 98? I smell a desparation bluff or some kind of retarded 3 pair slowplay like 75 or A7 much more than 1/10 times here. Look him up please.

I don't think someone that passive is capable of raising the river on a bluff. The only hand that I can beat is three pair. I think he has an 8 or a turned straight here. He basically calls every flop so any hand is possible. I haven't seen the villain bluff... EVER over 100 hands

but my pokerace hud doesn't update until I restart it... so I only had stats for the first 19 hands

Chopper

09-02-2008, 01:03 PM

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i think the pot was big enough that you dont fold that last HH. with his AF, its probably the 8. but, 10.5:1 is pretty hard to resist.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

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