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Old 06-27-2008, 06:46 PM     Post subject: 3way river with aggros.. #1 (permalink)  
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this may look bad, but i wonder if i should have bet the river. Btn was loose, but prone to take shots at weakness. i just wonder if i should have b/c a river here instead of tried to induce the bluff with a c/c guarding against a Q. quite sure i made a mistake and left a bb out there, but felt pretty sure that a weaker A would take a shot, and i didnt want to get raised by a sleepy Q or lucky 8. nitty?

no player reads except BTN was very loose pre and a bit aggro post..did i miss value on river?

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Stacks:
UTG ($23.35)
UTG+1 ($7.15)
CO ($5.95)
BTN ($1.75)
Hero ($7.80)
BB ($10.00)

Pre-flop: (1.4 SB, 6 players) Hero is SB
UTG calls, 2 folds, BTN calls, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG calls, BTN calls

Flop: (8.0 SB, 4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, 1 fold, BTN calls

Turn: (5.5 BB, 3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, BTN calls

River: (8.5 BB, 3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN checks

Final Pot: 8.5 BB
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Old 06-27-2008, 07:30 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 Value bet that. If either of them had a queen you would have heard about it on the turn. Neither of them should ever have an 8.
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Old 06-27-2008, 07:57 PM #3 (permalink)  
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i'm trying to incorporate "inducing bluffs" more. and, i felt this was a spot. i assume, if i wanted to induce a bluff, this is a clear c/r instead of c/c?

i am trying to open their betting ranges against me and get them to fire at my weakness since i am almost always betting anyway. my AF is like a 2.3 right now.

prolly too fancy for .25/.50. story of my life.
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Old 06-27-2008, 08:06 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 Your heart is in the right place

Heads up against an aggressive villain who would bet Ax on the end, check-raise would be a good line. But 3 way on the river you won't induce too many bluffs I don't think.

Against loose and loose-passive players, just take them to value town, because often they will check behind, as in this hand.
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Old 06-28-2008, 08:11 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Your heart is in the right place

Heads up against an aggressive villain who would bet Ax on the end, check-raise would be a good line. But 3 way on the river you won't induce too many bluffs I don't think.

Against loose and loose-passive players, just take them to value town, because often they will check behind, as in this hand.
You'd be amazed, at these levels. c/calling is not as bad as it seems. It doesnt always work and is read dependent, but since original read was button=aggro, i would take this line. I dont wanna face a raise-bluff, and inducing bluffs is very useful, it sends a message (dont try it against me).
value betting is most important at these levels because most players are passive, but if there are reads on the contrary, i think changing the line in situations like this isnt bad.
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Old 06-28-2008, 01:09 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Easy bet. You'll get called by a worse Ace here every time, and sometimes by a non-believer with JJ, KK etc.
"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." (George Bush).
 
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Old 06-28-2008, 04:55 PM #7 (permalink)  
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i wasnt too worried about the passive station. he was a non-factor, imo. if he had a Q, he would let me know pretty quick. i was after the aggro that would fire with less.

here's where my thought process gets all messed up, though. if i lead, and they both call...great, 3 bets. however, if i check, aggro bets, and we all call...no difference, 3 bets. i just wanted to increase the likelihood of aggro bluffing, but it really doesnt add anything to the profitability of the hand, unless i am willing to c/r...which i was not. i think the only thing i was doing was checking to see if aggro would fire JJ or air...something he would fold if i led. i just dont think the range opens up enough to risk the check behinds.

in other words, there are better spots to induce bluffs. i shouldnt do it for the sake of doing it.
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Old 06-29-2008, 10:37 AM #8 (permalink)  
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in other words, there are better spots to induce bluffs. i shouldnt do it for the sake of doing it.
Exactly. Don't count on your opponents betting your good hands for you, especially at these limits.

Here, no-one has a Q, no-one is likely calling the flop with 8x, and you are sitting pretty. You've been betting the whole way. If you check the river you may as well type in the chat box "Ok boys, I have Ax and I'm scared because of the QQ88 board."

The way the hand has played - they've been calling the whole way - there's just too good a chance someone has a hand they will make a crying call with that you lose too much value by not betting the river.
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