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Fnord

08-30-2005, 12:51 PM Post subject: 3 laydowns

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Fnord is an unknown quantity at this point

Time for some late night passive 2/4...

No read, but seems a sane sort...

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Preflop: Fnord is MP3 with K

, A

. UTG posts a blind of $2.
UTG (poster) checks, 3 folds, Fnord raises, 4 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 5

, 9

, 7

(3 players)
UTG checks, Fnord bets, UTG raises, Fnord calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) A

(3 players)
UTG bets, Fnord raises, UTG calls.

River: (8.75 BB) 8

(3 players)
UTG checks, Fnord bets, UTG raises, Fnord folds.

Final Pot: 11.75 BB

UTG+1 has never raised pre-flop in over 100 hands and has about a 17% VP$IP, pretty darn passive too

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Preflop: Fnord is Button with 9

, T

.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Fnord calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) T

, 6

(6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 calls, Fnord raises, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 9

(3 players)
UTG+1 bets, MP1 folds, Fnord raises, UTG+1 3-bets, Fnord calls.

River: (12 BB) 4

(2 players)
UTG+1 bets, Fnord folds.

Final Pot: 13 BB

UTG+1 is pretty agrro 36/18 with a 2 AF. Reasonably aggro given the amount of hands he's in.

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Preflop: Fnord is SB with A

, T

.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 5 folds, Fnord raises, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (5 SB) 5

, K

, A

(2 players)
Fnord bets, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 7

(2 players)
Fnord bets, UTG+1 calls.

River: (5.50 BB) Q

(2 players)
Fnord bets, UTG+1 raises, Fnord folds.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

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08-30-2005, 01:49 PM

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dunno...i think i call all of them.

Ltrain

08-30-2005, 02:06 PM

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I probably call hands 1 and 2 given the pot size, although from your moves I agree with you that you are likely beaten; check/call hand 3 after he called the flop and turn.

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Fnord

08-30-2005, 02:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hypermegachi

dunno...i think i call all of them.

I have some doubts and certainly in a more aggro game or vs some players I would call all of those spots...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ltrain

check/call hand 3 after he called the flop and turn.

Too much crap pays me off and better hands will just call.

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08-30-2005, 02:52 PM

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Hand 1: I think you are beat, but I've seen AJ/AT play hands that same way too many times to fold the river. I think he has something stupid like 96 or K7 with 2 clubs though.

Hand 2: This guy definately has you beat if he's that passive.

Hand 3: No way do I fold this hand on the river, but I'm check/calling the river anyway to try and get the missed flush draw to bluff into me since your opponent looks like the type that would bet any two when checked to him on the river.

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08-30-2005, 04:44 PM

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i've been thinking about this a lot...folding the river with roughly 10:1 odds.

SSH teaches that it's a sin to do that, stressing that you only need to win 1 in 10 times to break even. on the other side of the coin, wouldn't you only have to be fold correctly 9 outta 10 times to break even?

Fnord

08-30-2005, 05:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nehmer

Hand 3: No way do I fold this hand on the river, but I'm check/calling the river anyway to try and get the missed flush draw to bluff into me since your opponent looks like the type that would bet any two when checked to him on the river.

Fair enough. But what if you think he's the type to raise any draw with more than 4 outs?

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08-30-2005, 05:27 PM

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Quote:

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nehmer

Fair enough. But what if you think he's the type to raise any draw with more than 4 outs?

Then he's the type that deserves to get called down. Passive players don't bet until they make their hand. Players who bet their draws sometimes try to bluff on the end since they only have to be successful 1/10 for this to be profitable. Although this doesn't apply on hands 1 and 3 since they raised. I would call hand 2. Too many times the player shows ATo for you to fold in that spot.

Fnord

08-30-2005, 05:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

Players who bet their draws sometimes try to bluff on the end since they only have to be successful 1/10 for this to be profitable.

Perhaps. But it looked like weak-when-strong behavior to me at the time. That's a pretty ugly board for ATo vs call-call-raise.

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08-30-2005, 06:22 PM

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1. he got his flush/straight
2. UTG+1's flop call after a raise and his turn bets are pretty clear he has the 6 or better
3. no idea what he has, but I highly doubt he raised the river on a stone cold bluff.

take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately

Fnord

08-30-2005, 06:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hypermegachi

i've been thinking about this a lot...

Uhhhh Ohhh...

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