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**pokerlearner** · 10-21-2005 12:19 AM

trying to learn from all you guys not to be results oriented. I would have lost more here but still want to know what the correct play was.

b&M 4-8

Hand 1: hero is 10c-10s on the button.

UTG calls, MP1 calls, Mp2 calls, CO calls, Hero raises, Sb calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Flop: Kc-Qc-Jc
CO bets, Hero raises, CO calls (everyone else folds)

Turn: Kc-Qc-Jc-5s
CO checks, Hero checks

River: Kc-Qc-Jc-5s-As
CO bets, Hero raises, CO calls.

CO shows 2c-8c for flopped flush.

Should I bet the turn as a value bet. I mean i have 15 outs but wasnt sure if its a value bet HU. i should definitely bet if 3 people in right ?
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Hand 2: Kill pot 8-16

Hero is 10-10 on the button. UTg is loose aggressive

Preflop: UTG raises, MP2 (kill button) calls, Hero calls, SB calls.

Flop: 8-4-3
UTG bets, MP2 raises, Hero 3 bets, SB calls, UTG calls, MP2 caps, Hero calls, SB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: 8-4-2-7
SB bets, UTG folds, MP2 calls, Hero folds.

SB has the straight, MP2 had 4-8 and filled up on the river.

was my 3 bet correct on the flop ? i have only overpair but i dont know what MP2 had. uTG showed QQ on his fold.

Should I have 3 bet before the flop ?? I am playing 10-10 for only set value these days. I raise JJ though

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Hand 3: (kill pot 8-16)
Hero is 8c-8d UTG

Preflop: Hero calls, MP3 calls, button calls, SB calls, bb calls.

flop: 3-6-7 2 clubs on board.
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls

Turn: 2-6-7-5 (flush completed)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: 2-6-7-5-4
BB bets, Hero calls

BB shows Q high flush.

after flop raise, bb again bets on turn. he must have the flush. should i fold the turn ??

**Fnord** · 10-21-2005 12:29 AM

Hand 1: Interesting flop problem. No way you can fold there, hence I think raising is ok if not your best play. Everything else is fine.

Hand 2: Easy 3-bet pre-flop. Good turn fold.

Hand 3: Well played.

**sinky** · 10-21-2005 11:32 AM

hand 1 - You mention that you have 15 outs. Be careful not to overcount as most of your outs are only partial outs.

- Ac and 9c give you the nuts.
- 7 other clubs, give you a flush but can be beaten by Ac.
- 3 remaining Aces give you straight, but can be beaten by flush or could be split pot.
- 3 remaining nines give you a straight, but can be beaten by flush or could be split pot.
- 2 remaining Tens, puts 4 to a straight on the board.

So I would give you ~ 10 outs.
Don't think this is a good spot to value bet the turn

**Room** · 10-21-2005 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Fnord

Hand 1: Interesting flop problem. No way you can fold there, hence I think raising is ok if not your best play. Everything else is fine.

Is the preflop raise standard? I haven't played full ring in a while but after 4 limpers, I might prefer to get in cheap and outplay my opponents in a small(er) pot postflop, especially if the flop looks good for me. Also, I can't say I hate the river raise, but against good players, only a T would call you here and a flush would certainly 3bet (esp when you have checked the turn, which clearly indicates you dont hold a higher flush or else you would have bet the turn).

**Fnord** · 10-21-2005 06:21 PM

TT is a g00t hand. Build a pot.

10-21-2005 12:19 AM #1
pokerlearner View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Feb 2005 Posts 363 Location california	3 hands trying to learn from all you guys not to be results oriented. I would have lost more here but still want to know what the correct play was. b&M 4-8 Hand 1: hero is 10c-10s on the button. UTG calls, MP1 calls, Mp2 calls, CO calls, Hero raises, Sb calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls. Flop: Kc-Qc-Jc CO bets, Hero raises, CO calls (everyone else folds) Turn: Kc-Qc-Jc-5s CO checks, Hero checks River: Kc-Qc-Jc-5s-As CO bets, Hero raises, CO calls. CO shows 2c-8c for flopped flush. Should I bet the turn as a value bet. I mean i have 15 outs but wasnt sure if its a value bet HU. i should definitely bet if 3 people in right ? -------------------- Hand 2: Kill pot 8-16 Hero is 10-10 on the button. UTg is loose aggressive Preflop: UTG raises, MP2 (kill button) calls, Hero calls, SB calls. Flop: 8-4-3 UTG bets, MP2 raises, Hero 3 bets, SB calls, UTG calls, MP2 caps, Hero calls, SB calls, UTG calls. Turn: 8-4-2-7 SB bets, UTG folds, MP2 calls, Hero folds. SB has the straight, MP2 had 4-8 and filled up on the river. was my 3 bet correct on the flop ? i have only overpair but i dont know what MP2 had. uTG showed QQ on his fold. Should I have 3 bet before the flop ?? I am playing 10-10 for only set value these days. I raise JJ though ---------------- Hand 3: (kill pot 8-16) Hero is 8c-8d UTG Preflop: Hero calls, MP3 calls, button calls, SB calls, bb calls. flop: 3-6-7 2 clubs on board. BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls Turn: 2-6-7-5 (flush completed) BB bets, Hero calls. River: 2-6-7-5-4 BB bets, Hero calls BB shows Q high flush. after flop raise, bb again bets on turn. he must have the flush. should i fold the turn ??

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10-21-2005 12:29 AM #2
Fnord View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2003 Posts 19,380 Location I'll Do You Like A Truck	Hand 1: Interesting flop problem. No way you can fold there, hence I think raising is ok if not your best play. Everything else is fine. Hand 2: Easy 3-bet pre-flop. Good turn fold. Hand 3: Well played.
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10-21-2005 11:32 AM #3
sinky View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2005 Posts 362 Location SCOTLAND	hand 1 - You mention that you have 15 outs. Be careful not to overcount as most of your outs are only partial outs. - Ac and 9c give you the nuts. - 7 other clubs, give you a flush but can be beaten by Ac. - 3 remaining Aces give you straight, but can be beaten by flush or could be split pot. - 3 remaining nines give you a straight, but can be beaten by flush or could be split pot. - 2 remaining Tens, puts 4 to a straight on the board. So I would give you ~ 10 outs. Don't think this is a good spot to value bet the turn

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10-21-2005 12:59 PM #4
Room View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2005 Posts 197	Originally Posted by Fnord Hand 1: Interesting flop problem. No way you can fold there, hence I think raising is ok if not your best play. Everything else is fine. Is the preflop raise standard? I haven't played full ring in a while but after 4 limpers, I might prefer to get in cheap and outplay my opponents in a small(er) pot postflop, especially if the flop looks good for me. Also, I can't say I hate the river raise, but against good players, only a T would call you here and a flush would certainly 3bet (esp when you have checked the turn, which clearly indicates you dont hold a higher flush or else you would have bet the turn).

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10-21-2005 06:21 PM #5
Fnord View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2003 Posts 19,380 Location I'll Do You Like A Truck	TT is a g00t hand. Build a pot.
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