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Old 02-24-2009, 07:37 PM     Post subject: 3 bet gets 4 bet #1 (permalink)  
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 been looking for more spots to do this. BU has been raising more than his share, has been at table about 30-50 hands. He 3 bet once that I remember, took it down on Axx flop.

SB is super passive and has even folded some after open limping.

First time I have 3 bet since they have been at table.

Fold/Shove/Call pre? Give up as played?


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Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, A, J, 10
3 folds, Button bets $14, SB calls $12, Hero raises to $44, Button raises to $146, 1 fold, Hero calls $102

Flop: ($306) 6, 5, A (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $180
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Old 02-24-2009, 09:27 PM #2 (permalink)  
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wot constitutes a hand to 3bet instead of call here?

this hand to me looks like a nice call pre hand. also do we really expect to have much FE even tho we know he likes to play alot of hands? we dont know his fold to 3bet% but dont most raising hands vs a 3better have about 40% equity anyway and add in-position seems like we get owned a ton.

interested in your thoughts since my comments are also abit general.
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Old 02-25-2009, 01:31 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 Like I said, I'm new to the whole 3 betting thing. I've been watching a lot of vids on CR and seeing guys 3 bet a whole lot more than I have been. So saying that:

I expect him to fold pretty much never

Not sure what makes a good 3b vs call hand. Good things about this hand are I have a blocker for AA which is the only hand we really don't want to see. Also they will probably put me on AA and this hand hits a lot of flops that look bad for AA.

I struggle with the position thing... it seems good to lower the SPR OOP vs if we were say OTB and could use our positon on all three streets. But obv I get what you are saying that we are creating a bigger pot OOP.
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Old 03-02-2009, 12:01 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I like the 3 bet a lot but I think without a better read we need to let this go. I doubt many players can 4 bet AAxx or a worse wrap, c/f flop as played.
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Old 03-02-2009, 12:31 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 tbh I could see myself folding to the 4bet

there was a pretty big thread on 2p2 in the plo forum about calling 4bets and the EV implications. My personal opinion is this type of hand iss one that you don't want to be calling 4bets with while hands like low rundowns fare better.

Also, I've folded to 3bets lately when OOP with mediocre big-card strength, I honestly think it's the way to go against tight 3bettors
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Old 03-02-2009, 08:45 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Btw I shud add being oop makes a big difference
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Old 03-02-2009, 09:10 AM #7 (permalink)  
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 not really, remember as the SPR goes down being OOP means a lot less

it's more about fighting the equity battle here, you're more than likely a 60-40 dog PF and you'll have to stack off on a ton of flops as, once again, like a 65-35 or 60-40 dog.
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Old 03-02-2009, 09:33 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Good point
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Old 03-05-2009, 12:48 AM #9 (permalink)  
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I don't mind the preflop RR too much

I would probably prefer a hand like 8TJJ cos it plays better against both AAxx and other raising hands. It also disguises well.

Still, beggars can't be choosers. But the real purpose of this play is deception, you want him to call, and then lead the flop and then the value of your PFRR comes through because he's very likely to make a bad mistake putting you on AA and folding when he should stack and stacking when he should fold.

When villan reraise, i'm letting this go. As long as I'm reraising all my AAxx and not too many of the other hands, villain can't reasonably 4 bet non AAxx hands. Seeing as i'm OOP and at the bottom of my 3 bet range, I'll let this one go
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