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bigspenda73

01-25-2007, 04:18 AM Post subject: 3/6 LHE 6max Review Hands

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Well I'm trading some hands and Im stuck on a few of these, help a brother out.

Hand 1
UTG is 66/17/.6 over 100 hands
CO is 74/35/1 over 110 hands
Hero is running 25/18 and does not get out of line

Any reason to raise/call PF? What are we getting on our set value, at best 4:1 correct? What about raising against two spewy opponents? 66 just too bad here?

PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6

, 6

.
UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: (3.33 SB) A

, K

, 5

(4 players)
BB bets, UTG folds, CO calls, Hero folds.

Hand 2

Same 74/35 maniac

PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J

, A

.
2 folds, CO raises, 1 fold, SB calls, Hero 3-bets, CO caps, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (12 SB) K

, A

, 3

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets, SB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

River: (9 BB) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11 BB

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Bullet Tooth

01-25-2007, 09:02 AM

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Hand 1 - If it were 1 limper, easy raise but with 2, I think it is a bit more situational. It's borderline raise for me so if we have been running hot or have a good image with people folding to Cbets and few showdowns, then I might have a pop at raising this, but I think the call is better. We want some more limpers to improve our implied odds if we hit the set and fold if we miss it. All in all, I play this the same.

Hand 2 - I think a maniacs capping range here is huge. Any Ace, any pocket pair and often enough, any suited Q or better, hell, I even saw 82s yesterday. God I love lags

. On that basis, I think there is a good chance you are ahead and even better, there is a good chance he is going to go nuts with a weak ace. For me, I bet this flop hoping that he raises so I can 3 bet. It's from this point I am going to start putting him on a hand. If he caps, then I think I slow down and let him take us to SD. If he just calls, then I keep firing. I think lags rely on stealing pots with brut force and getting lucky with their trash, so solid aggressive poker should win through in the end.

euphoricism

01-25-2007, 04:07 PM

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Theyre both fine. I might donk/call the flop on hand 2 but its not much different. I wouldnt bet/3bet the flop like bullet would. 6max is about exploitation and if youve got a villain who loves to bet then let him and don't do anything that discourages it.

Depending how I feel, I might even c/r the river.

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bigspenda73

01-25-2007, 05:41 PM

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So you're overcalling 2 players with 66 on the button. That's something I hadn't been doing. I'd been 2towning 88+ here.

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01-25-2007, 06:26 PM

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With two super retard lags limped in before me, theres no reason to reopen the betting or inflate the pot. Yes, you are most likely 50% to win getting 3:1 which is a purely +EV raise -- but man, thats going to be one tough hand to play and you might end up paying way too much to do it.

I wouldnt even fault you for folding preflop to save the headache.

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Bullet Tooth

01-26-2007, 12:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by euphoricism

I agree that we want maniac to pay us for this hand, so I think we need to find a raise somewhere rather than the call down. Although I guess the donk call down does get us another SB.

I am interested in the difference between the river CR line rather than the flop 3 bet. I guess the balance is between whether he folds to our aggression, versus him checking through on the river versus him actually having a hand that beats us. I do sometimes wonder if I got the most value when they fold the turn under my aggresison, but it's tinged with a sense of relief that at least he didn't suck out again. Any comments?

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

So you're overcalling 2 players with 66 on the button. That's something I hadn't been doing. I'd been 2towning 88+ here.

I'm doing it with 22 and if it checks round, I might take a stab at the pot.

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01-26-2007, 07:38 PM

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I dont generally like to tell hyperaggressive players that theyre beat. Theyre willing to throw their money in behind, I dont want to discourage that. Further, hyperaggressive players are significantly more likely to "play back at you" on the turn than on the river hence I like to do my "I'm not really sure but I *think* I'm ahead" raises on the river.

I'm a huge fan of the check/call, check/call, donkbet with top pair line. If villain sucks out, they tend not to raise the river very often anyway so you pay the same but you gaurentee a bet goes in on the river if villain would have checked behind. It also gets called by second pair and crap very often where my aggression would have folded him out.

As for the first hand -- well, if youre playing this purely for set value you should FOLD. You need 8:1 purely for set value. So against two hypermorons who are taking absolutely eeeeeevvvvverything to showdown, I'd probably just fold without 88+ish. You need something you feel alright about taking to showdown unimproved a majority of the time.

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Bullet Tooth

01-26-2007, 10:56 PM

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I , like the sound of that, I will give that a go... now, where did I put that call button

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02-03-2007, 02:33 AM

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Hand #1: I prolly fold assuming BB is usual passive donk that is common at that level

Hand #2: I like throwing a check-raise somewhere in there. I think river is best spot for it.

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02-05-2007, 07:58 AM

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I raise preflop in Hand 1. You have the best hand and position, so I think it is best to build the pot, even if it may be a marginal situation. With luck, you may be able to fold out the blinds and put dead money in the pot as well as increase your winning chances. Also, if you flop a set you will usually get excess action from players who misread your hand.

Hand 2 is fine. I have no problem with just calling down, particularly since you will have to call a 3-bet if you check-raise the river. Some people like to check-call, check-call, bet in these situations, but I feel this line is extremely transparent if your opponent has a clue, and also misses a bet from a hand that won't call a river bet, but will bet when you check (which constitutes a reasonable part of a maniac's range).

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