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Phyl
Old 05-23-2005, 11:37 PM     Post subject: 3 $5/$10 hands #1 (permalink)  
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5/10 hasn't been going too well for me, it's only over a tiny 4000 hands but being down 70 bets is no fun. Anyway here's some recent hands that I think I might have misplayed, especially the last one it's a situation I really need help with.


Hand 1:

BB is 17/8, no read on MP2.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with T, T.
2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 4 folds, BB 3-bets, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (9.40 SB) 4, 8, Q (3 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, MP2 folds, BB 3-bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 7.20 BB

Hand 2:

No specific reads, but it's a good table. Fairly loose passive preflop from what I've noticed.

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9, T.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 3 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (4.40 SB) A, T, 4 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 bets, Hero calls, MP3 calls, BB calls.

Turn: (4.20 BB) 9 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 bets, Hero raises, MP3 3-bets, BB folds, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls.

River: (13.20 BB) 4 (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets, UTG+2 calls, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 15.20 BB

Hand 3:

Button is 14/9.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, A.
Hero raises, 5 folds, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB) Q, T, Q (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.70 BB) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

River: (8.70 BB) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 9.70 BB
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Old 05-24-2005, 12:31 AM #2 (permalink)  
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hand 1: fold the turn unimproved
hand 2: i don't like the flop call. if you're continuing you should raise. tough river fold.
hand 3: hmmmm
 
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Old 05-24-2005, 01:12 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: Against and unknown with moderate aggression, I might be more inclined to call this down. You won't get bluffed out, you wont lose more to a better hand.

Hand 2: Nice fold, esp after UTG+2 calls.

Hand 3: What do you think your opponent thinks you have when you lead the turned brick? If you call the turn raise, you have to call the river.
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Old 05-24-2005, 02:07 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I don't play 5/10 but here's my take anyway:

1) I'm calling and folding turn unimproved.
2) Cap the turn? Or are you putting MP3 on A9/AT there?
3) I don't think he's gonna buy a set of 5s w/your PFR UTG. Having given it a shot, I fold to the raise.
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Old 05-24-2005, 06:02 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: Hmmm.... I'm tempted to call this down. I certainly think you need to call the 3-bet.

Hand 2: Hmmmm.... I can argue for a raise, fold or call on that flop.

Hand 3: The turn bet sucks. I check/call every street vs an aggro pre-flop player.
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hand 2: i don't like the flop call. if you're continuing you should raise.
I would agree if the pot was larger.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y
 
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Old 05-24-2005, 08:35 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Thanks for the responses guys.

I'll give my thoughts:

Hand 1: I don't like the idea of calling this down, I think a players with an 8% PFR would probably 3-bet AK, AQ, AA, KK, QQ, JJ and TT here. The only hand I'm beating here is AK and I don't think he would 3-bet the flop with it.

I agree I should have called the flop and folded the turn unimproved, at the time I underestimated my outs. I have 2 outs for a set and 0.5-1 out for a backdoor straight. Getting 14-1 I have the odds to peel especially with very good implied odds.

Hand 2: I probably would have raised the flop with KT. But I can't see UTG+2 betting much worse than T9 on this flop very often so I decided to call and fold the turn unimproved. I don't like a fold here, I have about 5 outs and only need to make up about 2 bets in implied odds.

I didn't cap the turn because I figured most of the time I'm at best splitting here. MP3 probably has at least two pair and he wouldn't see a flop with T4 or 94.

I was planning on calling the river unimproved but when the board paired the combined chance of MP3 having me beat and UTG+2 having made a higher two pair drove me to a fold.

Hand 3: I considered calling down here but what hands do I beat? I think an aggressive player would 3-bet in this spot with AA-88 AK and AQ, the best I can hope for is a split with AK. So my plan was to call the flop and check/fold the turn unimproved but I decided to take a shot at the pot.

Once I've bet the turn and it's been raised I have to call with my gutshot and possible overcard outs. I really can't see calling the river and winning, maybe splitting a small percentage of the time.

Turn bet really that bad?
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Old 05-24-2005, 10:10 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: I don't like the idea of calling this down, I think a players with an 8% PFR would probably 3-bet AK, AQ, AA, KK, QQ, JJ and TT here. The only hand I'm beating here is AK and I don't think he would 3-bet the flop with it.
If MP2 wasn't in the hand, his range might be wider. With MP2 in the hand, I'm inclined to give his 3-bet more credit. I've seen too many AKo 3-bets on an unimproved flop to rule it out, but still not enough to go the distance. If MP2 wasn't in the hand, my line would have been to check/call it all the way unless the board is such that I must be beat.

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Hand 2: I probably would have raised the flop with KT. But I can't see UTG+2 betting much worse than T9 on this flop very often so I decided to call and fold the turn unimproved. I don't like a fold here, I have about 5 outs and only need to make up about 2 bets in implied odds.
He might be on a flush draw, but with an Ace on the board.... yeah... If you think the bet is legit this pot is small enough to just let it go. Raising won't give you information here either, because an aggro player will 3-bet his draw too often.

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Turn bet really that bad?
From the other end, it looks like a weak stab at the pot (or maybe Tx) and I would expect a strong player to raise a pretty wide range. Fail that, you'll often get called down. How often have you made a bet like that and taken down the pot?
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Old 05-24-2005, 07:53 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Turn bet really that bad?
From the other end, it looks like a weak stab at the pot (or maybe Tx) and I would expect a strong player to raise a pretty wide range. Fail that, you'll often get called down. How often have you made a bet like that and taken down the pot?
Yeah, they're not very successful.

Just finished a 500 hand session of 5/10 and several opponents tried a similar turn bluff against me and yeah it's pretty obvious.
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