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Old 02-05-2010, 04:28 AM     Post subject: 25PLO - i cracked aces...but can I call? #1 (permalink)  
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 We've played 1 hand before. I opened KKJx UTG and he called my ~pot cbet and insta checked down AQxx on a KJxJx 2tone flop. His sizing is confusing me

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Preflop: Hero is CO with A, J, 9, 10
UTG calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25, Hero bets $1.35, 2 folds, BB raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.65

Flop: ($6.60) 3, 2, 8 (2 players)
BB bets $2.75, Hero calls $2.75

Turn: ($12.10) 10 (2 players)
BB bets $6, Hero calls $6

River: ($24.10) J (2 players)
BB bets $14.75 (All-In), Hero ???
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Old 02-05-2010, 05:55 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 I'm not giving any advice cuz I suck at this game... just want to point out that you don't crack AA22, AA33, AA88, AATT, AAJJ, AA79, AA9Q.
Now have fun with combinatorics imo
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Old 02-05-2010, 06:14 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Old 02-05-2010, 06:28 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 river timing? The faster it was the more likely I am to call. Some people just cannot stomach making a decision were they to check so they jam, we're getting like 2.75:1, so it's pretty darn close all around.

Turn could be a jam but I think I'd take your line
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Old 02-05-2010, 07:03 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 he took about 3-4 seconds on every street. not quite insta but still pretty quick
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Old 02-05-2010, 03:47 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 I don't get read, you checked down a FH?

I think the flop is a fold,I guess this is OK as a float but on the flop you should have expected him to jam a lot of turns. As played I would shove the turn. Maybe he'll fold and you don't have to figure out when to call/v bet the end.
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 this is the other hand. was hoping for him to barrel his draws. maybe bet turn c/r river is better?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, K, K, J
2 folds, CO calls $0.25, 1 fold, SB calls $0.15, Hero bets $1, CO calls $0.75, SB calls $0.75

Flop: ($3) K, J, 5 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.25, CO calls $2.25, 1 fold

Turn: ($7.50) J (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($7.50) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Total pot: $7.50 | Rake: $0.35
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Old 02-05-2010, 05:26 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 I would just keep betting, decent amount of his hands have Jx in them and you're going to bet here with your FD/BW wraps. Many draws here will have a lot of equity vs a bare J and getting CR is a disaster. So usually he'll check back. I would assume that direction until you have a read. I would guess < 10% of players at 1/2 would bet either street with a draw, let alone both. Plus don't forget even if he is mostly drawing he could have a pp or the other K and have SD value.
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Old 02-05-2010, 05:50 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 Re: the full house line

at 25PLO, I'm running about 0% when I check to induce a bet. Save this play for people that are obvious HE players, if used at all.
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Old 02-05-2010, 09:58 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 your turn check is fine when your hand contains a jack, you could also bet $2.25 again, but in all actuality w/o a read he's calls w/ draws on paired boards it's better to check here. I disagree with Doc that we'd expect people to check back Jxxx on the turn here, that's pretty darn passive/nitty w/o a reason to be so.

Finally, checking the river is fine once the turn goes check/check if we think he's checking back all of his draws but betting made hands on the turn.
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Old 02-05-2010, 10:13 PM #11 (permalink)  
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 I said he checks draws, not Jxxx. I guess I assume our generic 25 plo read is station, not aggro.
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