Originally Posted by euphoricism

8k hands is nothing. Nada. Zilch. Post your results at 80k.

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Hmm... smells like a challenge.

You know, if I had the time or will to play 50K hands at .25/.50 6max I would do it to prove 4BB/100 is attainable. Not trying to start another one of these dumb arguments, but nothing is impossible, even "technically". And for that matter, explain why you sait it is technically impossible, you realize the most rake I've ever seen on one of my hands has been .05.

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

I say you could run at least 8BB/100 at .10/.20 full ring

And stop making the challenges you know no one in their right mind would accept.

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

See what these pros fail to realize is how bad the play is probably b/c they never even played these levels. If you cannot exploit 1BB from each player every 100 hands you shouldn't be playing poker.

Originally Posted by euphoricism

I didnt set a hand goal, I just said "decent sample size" so at 2:1, $700, your wager is accepted if you agree to play 35k hands by eh, Feb 10th (two monthsish from today should be plenty of time)

You can prove it by sending me by sending the last 35k hands played at .10/.20 in your PT database to where I can import them and view them in my PT. Then its a simple matter for me to check dates and run some stat filters to check validity.

Your ringers concern is mildly foolish, but the best I can say is, "it wont be me, because its not worth my time.".

Deal?

Originally Posted by euphoricism

Thats rediculous. Why do you pretend to know what stakes I have played? II started playing online below .10/.20 LHE.

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

See what these pros fail to realize is how bad the play is probably b/c they never even played these levels. If you cannot exploit 1BB from each player every 100 hands you shouldn't be playing poker.

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

The highest I've ever seen anyone run in a skilled game over a long period of time was Fnord, who ran like 3.8 bb/100 over a couple months when he was full-time pro.

Originally Posted by Fnord

Here is the play that made me a lot of money, over and over again.

Some terrible player would limp, then I would raise something like J9s from the BN, CO or whatever. Then all of the tight guys farming 4+ tables behind me would fold and more often than not I'd get the terrible players heads-up, with position and dead money in the pot.

Higher stakes players won't let you get away with that crap. It's purely a middleish stakes play. Live players are so bored that they will make loose gambles eating into your profit. When 6-max caught on, the over-all table texture was too loose and aggressive for this to be anywhere near as profitable.

Originally Posted by arkitekton

Rofl--do I seem like I'm on medication?

You dismiss my concerns as "mildly foolish," as though, who would possibly bother to take the trouble to spend a couple of afternoons as a ringer, there's only a swing of a few thousand dollars involved, then announce you'll be happy to act as sole arbiter of who wins the wager. Very nice setup. For you.

We'll need someone to hold the money, perhaps a creditable sports book, then someone(s) to review my stats and award the money. I'd prefer a panel of three, and I think since you have some associations here, it's better if they're not affiliated with flopturnriver.com. As much as I like the people who run this house, prudence suggests we aim for perfectly neutral referees.

So, it's 2:1 if I exceed 5.00bb/100, and 5:1 if I exceed 8.00bb/100? It's the latter that makes the risk particularly worth taking.
30,000 hands, .10/.20, before February 10th sounds fair.