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Lidius
Old 11-09-2005, 08:20 PM     Post subject: .25/.5 hand #1 (permalink)  

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This is a very different hand for me but Im working on improving my pocket pair play. I really dont know how to feel about it, but its been buggin me.

I decided preflop to either limp or if raised reraise and try to play it shorthanded, since 1 raise would not fold anyone on this table. When it came to me on the flop the oppurtunity to raise instead of bet seemed like a good oppurtunity to fold better hands/ better draws in a big pot. Had anyone played back on any street I fold.

Ps- I tried to tidy pacific format up some I may have screwed something up.

**** Pacific Hand History for Game 2032639702 *****
$0.25/$0.5 Limit Hold'em - *** 11 05 21:18:53 2005

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 8c 8h ]

UTG calls. UTG+1 folds. UTG+2 folds. MP1 raises. MP2 folds. Hero raises. CO raises. Button calls. SB folds. BB calls. UTG folds. MP 1 calls.
Hero calls.

** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, 2d, 5d ]

BB bets. MP1 calls. Hero raises. CO folds. Button calls. BB folds.
MP1 calls.

** Dealing Turn ** [ 2c ]

MP1 checks. Hero bets. Button calls. MP1 folds.

** Dealing River ** [ Jd ]

Hero bets. Button calls.

** Summary *
Final Pot [17.64 BB].
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Old 11-09-2005, 09:55 PM #2 (permalink)  
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so is there a question that i missed or something...
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Old 11-09-2005, 10:07 PM #3 (permalink)  

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just curious what other people thought of it
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Old 11-09-2005, 10:28 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I don't like it. I can see raising 88 from MP+ if you're opening the betting or there's maybe a limper ahead of you, but against a raise? Then the 3 bet???

That flop is also very misleading, especially with the amount of players still involved. If you're ahead right now, it's very unlikely to last very long.

I don't like this hand at all, and I certainly would have given it up after not hitting my set. I fold TT or lower to a raise anywhere but the blinds or massive cold calling from those ahead of me.

At this level your non premium pocket pair play should be "set it or forget it." You wont profit from these hands with the amount of people seeing flops with anything in the paint.
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Old 11-09-2005, 11:01 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Really? I play it the same.

I think the reasoning is a little off though.

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I decided preflop to either limp or if raised reraise and try to play it shorthanded, since 1 raise would not fold anyone on this table. When it came to me on the flop the oppurtunity to raise instead of bet seemed like a good oppurtunity to fold better hands/ better draws in a big pot. Had anyone played back on any street I fold.
The reasoning why a 3 bet is often correct with 88 is a little more complicated. 88 is actually slightly ahead of an open raising range for most players. It is also easy to play with position. So you are mostly correct, in that you are trying to isolate the opener with position despite a marginal hand.
If you are not the type of player who can fold this hand to opposition, a fold preflop is better.

No better hand is folding on the flop. You think JJ sees a raise and reraise and goes "well I guess I'll just give up" at this level. Your flop raise is almost strictly for value.

The river bet I would like to highlight also. This is a clear "win the most when ahead" value bet. If you feel like you can not fold to a raise here a check call *may* be better.
With the 4th diamond, you may get a better hand to fold, and can pretty safely fold to a raise.
To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.
 
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Old 11-09-2005, 11:14 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Still, at this level a lot of players like to limp AK and see a flop and go from there. The CO capping screams JJ+, and then the 3 spades keep anyone with a spade in hand interested. I think you only got called down from players very concerned with the flush.

Also, with the pot that big overs want to call down and you're almost gaurunteed to see something you don't want by the river...

Clearly Demi has more experience than me, but I'd think this to be a dangerous play under the 1/2 game.

Interesting post though, would love to see more HH in the future on this line.
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Old 11-09-2005, 11:26 PM #7 (permalink)  
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It is a dangerous play that increases variance without significantly increasing your winrate.
A fold is not at all a bad decision preflop.
A call is clearly incorrect in my opinion, though.
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Old 11-10-2005, 12:24 AM #8 (permalink)  

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the thing that suprises me most is neither of you expect overcard hands to fold here. Without the A, K, Q, or J (maybe?) of d I would thought overcards, as well as TT, 99 (with or without the d) would be hard pressed to continue here thinning cards I have to dodge. Of course button drives your point home.
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Old 11-10-2005, 03:26 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Out of everything in this hand... the Button's cold call of a cap really bothers me
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Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
 
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