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Old 07-09-2008, 07:35 PM     Post subject: 22 from the BB #1 (permalink)  

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The way I saw it, I was already in for the BB, and there were already two people in for a 2nd bet, so I could at least see the flop.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 raises, CO calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) , , (5 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) (4 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP3 raises, CO folds, Hero 3-bets, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

River: (17.25 BB) (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 folds, MP3 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 24.25 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has 2d 2c (full house, twos full of tens).
MP3 doesn't show (He had KK).
Outcome: Hero wins 24.25 BB.
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Old 07-09-2008, 07:43 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I tried this once in limited hold them...unsuccessfully
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Old 07-09-2008, 07:50 PM #4 (permalink)  
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please try to include reads/stats in future but to be honest, I think you played this pretty optimally on all streets.
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Old 07-09-2008, 07:59 PM #6 (permalink)  
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This is probably minor but since the flop is suited, I'd c/r the flop. As he was the preflop aggressor, you can be pretty confident MP3 is going to bet. The c/r defends against MP1 or MP2 continuing with a draw.
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Old 07-09-2008, 08:05 PM #7 (permalink)  
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This is probably minor but since the flop is suited, I'd c/r the flop. As he was the preflop aggressor, you can be pretty confident MP3 is going to bet. The c/r defends against MP1 or MP2 continuing with a draw.
I disagree.

I think villains c-betting range is alot tighter than usual given that its a 5-way pot.

Even after a c/r you are never going to get a flush-draw to fold here.
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Old 07-09-2008, 10:35 PM #8 (permalink)  
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i like it. i dont understand where the question resides? you were fine pf...had 5:1.

and, BigRed, back to the commune. shoo shoo. or, should i say, hoot, hoot.
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I think villains c-betting range is alot tighter than usual given that its a 5-way pot.
Again, I have to point to the stakes here to explain opp behavior. Overpairs are going to bet for sure. AK bets. AT bets. The only hands MP3 might pass with are AJ and AQ, although suited spades does bet. Odds are he's betting.

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Even after a c/r you are never going to get a flush-draw to fold here.
Maybe not. But it likely does get bottom pair, middle pair and 78, 89 to fold.
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Old 07-09-2008, 10:50 PM #10 (permalink)  
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WP imo.

There's a real danger this flop could get checked around, so I prefer the flop lead. Also lets you 3 bet if someone gets frisky with a FD or TP or JJ+

A flop c/r protects against gusthots but 98, 97, 87 aren't going to show up that often, and at this level they probably don't fold anyways. Get as much $$$ in on the flop as you can.
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Old 07-09-2008, 10:57 PM #11 (permalink)  
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i like it. i dont understand where the question resides? you were fine pf...had 5:1.
Indeed, 9:1 assuming all the limpers just call.
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Old 07-09-2008, 11:07 PM #12 (permalink)  
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i like it. i dont understand where the question resides? you were fine pf...had 5:1.
His immediate odds were 7.5:1 and MP1 & MP2 will most likely call so that would be 9.5:1.

Only question seems to be whether leading the flop or check raising has most value. Flush draws are not folding for 1 bet or 2 bets so I think I would also lead hoping to get as many bets in as possible and eliminating the possibility of the flop getting checked through.
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Old 07-09-2008, 11:25 PM #13 (permalink)  

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i like it. i dont understand where the question resides? you were fine pf...had 5:1.

and, BigRed, back to the commune. shoo shoo. or, should i say, hoot, hoot.
2s make me nervous =/
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Old 07-10-2008, 02:30 AM #14 (permalink)  
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i like it. i dont understand where the question resides? you were fine pf...had >5:1.
fine, you anal retentive bastards. FMGDP. lol.

and, epic, i understand fearing the douches, but when you hit "Yahtzee," you really dont have much to fear if the flop gets crazy aggressive. obviously, you know oversets are rare. (but, i guess 22 gets oversetted more than any other )
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Old 07-10-2008, 05:27 AM #15 (permalink)  

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i like it. i dont understand where the question resides? you were fine pf...had >5:1.
fine, you anal retentive bastards. FMGDP. lol.

and, epic, i understand fearing the douches, but when you hit "Yahtzee," you really dont have much to fear if the flop gets crazy aggressive. obviously, you know oversets are rare. (but, i guess 22 gets oversetted more than any other )
Heh, yeah.

I guess calling 22 preflop with a lot of action feels like a double edged sword to me-the most profitable time to call it is when there are that many people in the pot and that much money-but at the same time, that many hands with a raise seems pretty dangerous-lots of possibilities to be beaten.

I wasn't so much worried when THAT flop came-I could potentially be scared of 10 10, but I couldn't really justify being concerned about anything else-if someone has 66, I'm just gonna pay him off.
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Old 07-10-2008, 09:41 AM #16 (permalink)  
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Old 07-10-2008, 02:04 PM #17 (permalink)  
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correct me if i'm wrong, but...

i aint worried bout nothin on this flop! i dont slow down until a 4th spade hits or my 3bet gets capped on a 3-spade board.

too many times i see the As charge headlong into a dumb situation like this. and, if its 66, so be it. i am willing to cap every street...at these stakes.

people down here like to make reads and slow down too early because they think they know how to read hands...myself included. but, what i am finding out is: bad hand readers are nitty and exploitable.

i bet scare cards. i c/r with crap on occasion. i keep the hammer down quite hard most of the time. i am trying to find the nits and stations.

once you call me down with Qhi, i stop bluffing you. but, once you make a big laydown...your MINE. i will punish the shit out of you until you leave my table or play back. and, when you play back, you are out of your element and i have license to your wallet.

these levels are full of players "trying to make the big laydown." find them and PWN them.
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Old 07-10-2008, 04:05 PM #18 (permalink)  

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correct me if i'm wrong, but...

i aint worried bout nothin on this flop! i dont slow down until a 4th spade hits or my 3bet gets capped on a 3-spade board.

too many times i see the As charge headlong into a dumb situation like this. and, if its 66, so be it. i am willing to cap every street...at these stakes.

people down here like to make reads and slow down too early because they think they know how to read hands...myself included. but, what i am finding out is: bad hand readers are nitty and exploitable.

i bet scare cards. i c/r with crap on occasion. i keep the hammer down quite hard most of the time. i am trying to find the nits and stations.

once you call me down with Qhi, i stop bluffing you. but, once you make a big laydown...your MINE. i will punish the shit out of you until you leave my table or play back. and, when you play back, you are out of your element and i have license to your wallet.

these levels are full of players "trying to make the big laydown." find them and PWN them.
Bingo. This exactly the sort of style I've been trying to force myself to play, especially when I figured out how bad some of these people are.

A few hours after posting this HH, I sit at a new table that REALLY likes to draw and is REALLY loose. It took me a few rounds to finally punish some of these people, but I really had to be relentless and not just assume I was going against the nuts every time one of those suckers bet his gut shot the entire way.
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but, epic, you really have to pay attention to when the timing is right for this. stations are the death of you when just trying to feel your way around a table, and there are shittons of them down here. its nothing to find a table of 6max with 4 of them.

if you dont react fast enough, and in some cases its not worth the aggression on a specific table, you will turn into massive spew before you even get the chance to seize the table.

just be careful when you open up and pour on the gas. it takes practice, and i dont have enough experience to do it much, yet. i just do it when its painfully obvious that i can.
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but, epic, you really have to pay attention to when the timing is right for this. stations are the death of you when just trying to feel your way around a table, and there are shittons of them down here. its nothing to find a table of 6max with 4 of them.

if you dont react fast enough, and in some cases its not worth the aggression on a specific table, you will turn into massive spew before you even get the chance to seize the table.

just be careful when you open up and pour on the gas. it takes practice, and i dont have enough experience to do it much, yet. i just do it when its painfully obvious that i can.
I definitely agree.

I've, in turn, burned myself more than a few times when I should have either just slowed down or folded when I should have known that I either didn't have the best hand or wasn't going to push a guy off his.
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Played perfectly!!!!!

DO NOT CHECK THIS FLOP.

Raise/raise/raise/raise/raise/raise/raise... if they allow you to raise again... do it!
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