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salsa4ever

04-13-2007, 12:34 PM Post subject: 200 PLO high

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Villain is a reasonable player. A bit loose on the VPIP, but not crazy. He had a very poor march, but has done okay in april. I normally don't raise a lot, but lately I'd been getting some hands, and feeling lucky so I'd been liberally raising. I decide to felt my straight draw; there's a chance he's also drawing and my overpair could be good and also gives me more outs if he has 2 pair. I'm hoping he'll fold 2 pair or get himself freerolled with a straight draw + no pair / 1 board pair. What do you think?

***** Hand History for Game 5870192581 *****
$ 200 USD PL Omaha - Friday, April 13, 08:17:42 ET 2007
Table Table 125419 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: GraveDiggah_ ( $ 662.75 USD )
Seat 9: HERO ( $ 359.75 USD )
Seat 4: Zerberus666 ( $ 366.30 USD )
Seat 6: aura135 ( $ 139.40 USD )
Seat 8: sheerk1 ( $ 214.50 USD )
Seat 1: tally666 ( $ 21.50 USD )
Seat 7: qp10y ( $ 149.40 USD )
Seat 5: Mannifique ( $ 238 USD )
Seat 3: sapsan223 ( $ 132 USD )
Seat 10: PyTuHa ( $ 93 USD )
Zerberus666 posts small blind [$ 1 USD].
Mannifique posts big blind [$ 2 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ 9s Qs 9c Td ]
aura135 calls [$ 2 USD]
qp10y calls [$ 2 USD]
sheerk1 folds
HERO raises [$ 11 USD]
PyTuHa calls [$ 11 USD]
tally666 folds
GraveDiggah_ folds
sapsan223 folds
Zerberus666 calls [$ 10 USD]
Mannifique folds
aura135 calls [$ 9 USD]
qp10y folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7c, 8h, 4d ]
Zerberus666 checks
aura135 bets [$ 2 USD]
HERO raises [$ 51.60 USD]
PyTuHa folds
Zerberus666 folds
aura135 calls [$ 49.60 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2c ]
aura135 checks
HERO bets [$ 148.20 USD]

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glass_onion

04-13-2007, 02:00 PM

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I don't like it too much. I think the PF reraise is marginal to poor. I'd like 9JQQ alot better because any st8's wraps you hit will be to the nuts, as apposed to 9TQQ. I'm sure you understand taht point.

FWIW I don't much like the idea of pushing an 8 out st8 draw on the flop OOP. Without a specific read, which honestly 'he's loose VPIP, but ok' really isn't. Do you have any postflop reads at the time? The reason i don't like the lead into an unknown is what do you do when he calls. I have to put him on 2 pair, small 2 sets, or similar draw. With that range my turn line is C/F - and if that's the case it really doesn't matter what my hand is flop, i'd rather be betting 4 random cards into a person I KNOW is nitty and i can usually steal flop, as that is better than betting decent draw + overpair into an unknown, in my opinon.

Obviously I don't like the turn push - WITHOUT SPECIFIC READS - into an unknown for the reasons mentioned.

salsa4ever

04-13-2007, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by glass_onion

thanks for your comments

but just to clarify, aren't I in position against the villain here? He checked the turn. So do are you suggesting check behind? Do you just call the retarded $2 flop bet?

I agree re preflop. In this position with this hand I'd only raise about 1 time in 20. Don't know why this happened to be the one time. As I said, I was feeling lucky

A lot of the time I'd limp 9JQQ in this spot. I've actually been doing some thinking: what is the relative strength of different pair + wrap hands i.e. where do i want the pair?

i.e. rank these hands from strongest to weakest? I've given them in what I consider to be the order, but I don't really know.

8879, 889T, 88TJ, 8867, 8869, 8857, 889J, 8856

Obviously no gap is good, gap in the bottom (8TJ) is better than gap in top (89J). But where do I want the pair, and does it matter?

glass_onion

04-13-2007, 02:53 PM

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Also, FWIW, i don't think that the fact that you've been running well and raising liberally lately lends itself well to your aggro line here. I.E, he is more likley to call you down with two pair hands, and slowplay lower sets (and not fold bottom).

I am a bit poor at playing these hands admittedly, but I think of OE st8 draws in omaha like I do bottom two pair - really not worth much at all.

glass_onion

04-13-2007, 03:16 PM

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Sorry, i missed the in position thing and the idiot $2 bet.

I can see why you think he is drawing with that bet, but still, its an open ender. I agree with the flop raise, or at least understand it. I'd check behind turn unless you have a specific read that he can fold. Again, you are behind what range i'd assign him, and as I wrote previously I think he is more likely to look you up given your recent aggressive and lucky play.

I think this is an example of what Dan says in Harrington on Holdem as a player who starts to run well, thinking he can outplay anyone and win any hand he enters. Treat the hand for what it is, a marginal situation. Especially in position.

glass_onion

04-13-2007, 05:31 PM

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7889 889T 6788 - 88TJ 8857 - 889j 8856 - 8869
This would be my rankings and confidence with these hands preflop, with dashes representing a considerable drop in confidence.

FWIW, i'd much rather be raising with 5678 than any of these since I hate mid pairs and know how to play my draws in all situations excellently. Plus, people never suspect that you raise good drawing hand like these, especially RR.

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04-13-2007, 09:32 PM

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You're a little too far off the button to be raising IMHO, but over-all I like this hand. Just stick it in on the turn and see how committed he is.

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KoRnholio

04-15-2007, 02:14 AM

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I don't really like it. When you raise preflop and then take an aggressive line, people will too often look you up on anything that can beat AAxx. This is especially true if people haven't seen you raise hands like 5678 preflop after limpers.

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