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Fnord
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09-09-2007, 08:59 AM
Post subject: 2 Reasons to fold (lc)
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A couple lemmings limp, I raise up red Jacks, lemming cold-calls on the button along with everyone else in for the ride.
Flop is two Kings and a baby with a heart draw. Checked to me and I bet because it's what I do. Button doesn't see my bet and asks if it was checked to him. *danger* *danger* *danger*. Anyway, he just calls along with 2 lemmings behind him. Turn blanks while I think about checking the turn, but I go ahead and bet it. Button raises. I there is a flush draw out there, I might suck out, he's erratic enough that he might bluff me here and I'm stuck a couple racks. All sorts of reasons to call this down. But even stuck 2 reasons is enough to fold here. So that's what I did and felt pretty good about it...
Anyone check/fold the turn?
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euphoricism
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4-of-a-Kind
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Yes.
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ChrisTheFish
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KY_Ace
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You can fold to a raise, you can check call the turn and check fold the river( with good read in a live game ) but you can't check fold the turn unless the player is extremely passive. If you check the turn you are telling them "I have ace high, you should bet any pocket pair so I don't river you!". A conservative player will bet the turn and check the river with a hand like 77 in this situation, which is why you can fold on the river if the right player bets but you have to be able to read them, "how confidently are they betting the river?", one of the advantages of live play!
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dsaxton
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Betting the turn is better than check-calling then check-folding. When you're raised, you're rarely folding the best hand, and you charge draws that may take a free card.
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DrivingDog
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If you check you not only give the button a free card but also the lemmings, who might have 3-5 outs. You're hand is vulnerable which all argues for betting.
The fact that the button seemed distracted on the flop is somewhat disoncerting. It might mean a big hand or it might just mean he wasn't paying attention. Without any previous experience with this behavior from this player you really can't put too much stock in it.
Once he raises the field on the turn it seems like a pretty easy fold to me. Maybe just file the distracted act in your memory and see if and under what circumstances it comes up again.
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Ayodeji13
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bet/fold turn seems pretty std. imho
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