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Old 06-19-2005, 08:52 PM     Post subject: 2 quick questions #1 (permalink)  
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1) If I bet the river here - what do I do if I get raised? It's 5 handed and SB has been reraising me every time I raise with the button.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 9, 9.
2 folds, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, BB calls, Hero caps, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 2, 3, 7 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

River: (11.50 BB) K (2 players)

Hero ???

2) Did I play this right? SB is same villain. Or do I just call the 3 bet on the flop? I figured AK just as likely as KK so y not cap it?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A, A.
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero caps, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (16 SB) K, 2, 5 (4 players)
SB bets, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero caps, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (14.05 BB) K (4 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero folds.

River: (16.05 BB) J (3 players)
SB bets, BB folds.

Final Pot: 17.05 BB
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Old 06-20-2005, 02:02 AM #2 (permalink)  
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hand 1: i like every street
hand 2: i cap this flop and go from there. i'm probably seeing a show down if he bets into me again on the turn.
 
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Old 06-20-2005, 03:39 AM #3 (permalink)  
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CALL THE TURN
I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway.
Whatever it is...
I'm against it.
 
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Old 06-20-2005, 04:08 AM #4 (permalink)  
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CALL THE TURN
Too hard not to calldown here unless this guy's a serious rock...I'm definately making him show me that K if he aint the King of all passives.

And yeah...Cap the flop.
Superb play sir...I always call 20% of my stack off with a gutshot draw. Excuse me while I race for my wallet.
 
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Old 06-20-2005, 04:23 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Hand1: fine to river, lead the river call a raise IMO
Hand 2: cap the flop and go from there...
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Old 06-20-2005, 12:19 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Hand 1, why not check/call the river against Mr. Tricky? He may occasionally check behind, but from the way you describe him, he seems like the sort that might bet with any 2 if you check the river to him.
TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
 
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Old 06-20-2005, 01:57 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 - I had gotten Mr. Tricky/Villain out on my 3 bet flop. I definitely shoulda bet the river, but once again wussed out putting weak BB on AK. I checked, he checked, he had A3 - I missed a bet.

Hand 2 - Sorry it came out a little funky, (I just edited it to make it look a bit better). I did cap both pre-flop and flop. You guys advocated calling down... Mr. Tricky/Villain was tricky but not that tricky. Even if he had something like AQ diamonds he woulda just called my raise on the flop. I knew he had a K, turns out he had two. Quad Ks beat BB's A3 (I guess he really liked that hand).
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On hand 2 hmm... we might be able to reduce his range down to AA/KK/AK based on the pre-flop flop action and find a fold. However, if he's being really aggo pre-flop we can't deduce that, hence we can't fold the turn getting 10:1 to call this down with a possible best hand and 2 outs to the 2nd nut.
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Old 06-20-2005, 07:48 PM #9 (permalink)  
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I see the call down there. Dunno... He wasn't being exceptionally aggro pre-flop - besides my button raising hands, the hands I had seen him raise with were QKs, AJo, and 88. He just would not let me raise with the button on a steal. Everytime I raised he reraised (again this had only happened like 3 or 4 times so not a huge sample). But he wasn't reraising the flop unless he had something, and he was checking the turn/folding to a bet on the turn when he had like 2Jo.

Don't know why, but I KNEW he had a K. That was enough for me for that hand.
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Old 06-20-2005, 10:27 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by chardrian
Don't know why, but I KNEW he had a K. That was enough for me for that hand.
Save the cute laydowns for smaller pots.
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Old 06-20-2005, 10:49 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Quote:
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Save the cute laydowns for smaller pots.
1) I'm not saying the call-down is wrong. I'm saying I trusted my gut/read/whatever you wanna call it. 2 more big blind bets was in my mind at best chasing for an A. I gave myself one out there (2 outs for the A minus 1 for the real possibility that BB had another A and/or that Villain had KK). Even with that pot - I'm not chasing one out.

2) Dropping whether my fold in that hand was right or not for a sec. I gotta say - I think the hands this section does not have enough of, are the hands where you have a hand but should fold. I've seen you post a couple, but the majority of hands are the whoops I missed a bet variety. My biggest leak still is the inability to fold turn raises even when I'm almost positive I'm beat because. E.g. I have TPTK and the flush has clearly beat me (maybe he's semi-bluffing the draw on the turn and raising I convince myself as I call, and then christ I'm committed and/or let's pay one more blind to make sure my read is right so I won't do that next time). Throwing away 2 extra BBs kills/sucks/blows goats. I'm gonna post my next ten turn folds and we'll get a discussion on those.
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