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Old 03-31-2007, 08:54 AM     Post subject: 2 PwnOhaha hands #1 (permalink)  
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M2 is a LAggtard.
UTG is a semi-loose semi-passive thinking multi-tabler who picks funny spots to get spewy.

This flop is usually a bet for me, probably should have still been one since I lead a lot more flops than most of the player pool. Checked to mix it up a bit.

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SB ($24.05)
BB ($100)
UTG ($100)
UTG+1 ($122.70)
Fnord ($100)
MP2 ($93.45)
MP3 ($90.60)
CO ($74.75)
Button ($50.05)

Preflop: Fnord is MP1 with Q, A, 6, 6.
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, Fnord calls $1, MP2 calls $1, 1 fold, CO calls $1, Button calls $1, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: ($6.50) 6, Q, A (6 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Fnord checks, MP2 checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($6.50) 9 (6 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $1, Fnord thinks.... raises to $6, MP2 folds, CO calls $6, Button folds, BB folds, UTG raises to $30.2, Fnord folds, CO folds.

Final Pot: $48.70

MP3 is a typical loose/passive fish I've been running over her on both tables she's on. Caught good on a raise in a prior hand and she might be gunning for me a bit.
SB is kinda tight, passive and weak. Very tight post-flop.

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UTG+1 ($105.85)
MP1 ($158.15)
MP2 ($118.60)
MP3 ($54.25)
Fnord ($128.75)
Button ($141.50)
SB ($79.60)
BB ($78.75)
UTG ($26.80)

Preflop: Fnord is CO with Q, 6, 9, Q.
4 folds, MP3 calls $1, Fnord raises to $4, 1 fold, SB calls $3.50, BB calls $3, MP3 calls $3.

Flop: ($16) T, Q, A (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP3 bets $6, Fnord calls $6, SB calls with maybe a little delay $6, BB folds.

Turn: ($34) K (3 players)
SB checks, MP3 checks, Fnord checks.

River: ($34) 7 (3 players)
SB checks, MP3 checks, Fnord checks.

Final Pot: $34
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Old 04-02-2007, 03:33 AM #2 (permalink)  
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1 is funny cause you take up your own boat outs. I guess betting the flop is better, because when someone actually claims to have a hand at least you let them know you liked the flop. I doubt it matters much - a re-raise turn bluff? This has to be alot of outs.

2) std. There maybe be a tiny bit of value on the river.
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 Hand 1 is good. With bottom set, multiway and in middle position on a draw heavy board, a check is very prudent. Turn raise is a must since it is very likely you have the best hand, and a min bet usually means "I have nothing or a draw and want to see a cheap river". But when the passive guy 3bets big, it's time to dump it.

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2) std. There maybe be a tiny bit of value on the river.
QFT... If by "value" you mean instantly checking behind because we're a loser here 90%+ of the time against 2 opponents (one being tight passive). SB has a flush or AA here literally always. MP3 might have something like 2 pair, but could just as easily have Jbxx (b = broadway card).
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Old 04-02-2007, 03:10 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I guess that was my question about 2... I would think 5 straight checks = no flushes, but maybe a straight. I guess 2 pair never calls you here.
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I guess that was my question about 2... I would think 5 straight checks = no flushes, but maybe a straight. I guess 2 pair never calls you here.
Yeah 2 pair won't call $1 on the river there. The SB likely has a flush since many nits/tight passives play the non-nuts veeerrrry slowly.
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Old 04-05-2007, 12:15 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 is good. With bottom set, multiway and in middle position on a draw heavy board, a check is very prudent. Turn raise is a must since it is very likely you have the best hand, and a min bet usually means "I have nothing or a draw and want to see a cheap river". But when the passive guy 3bets big, it's time to dump it.

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2) std. There maybe be a tiny bit of value on the river.
QFT... If by "value" you mean instantly checking behind because we're a loser here 90%+ of the time against 2 opponents (one being tight passive). SB has a flush or AA here literally always. MP3 might have something like 2 pair, but could just as easily have Jbxx (b = broadway card).
I know i'm a fish... but what the hell are we afraid of here?

We own a Q and A, and UTG is spewy. the only thing i'm worried about is 99xx. I might find a fold with the right read, but I don't get how its made to sound so routine
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I know i'm a fish... but what the hell are we afraid of here?

We own a Q and A, and UTG is spewy. the only thing i'm worried about is 99xx. I might find a fold with the right read, but I don't get how its made to sound so routine
We aren't really afraid of anything, but there's no worse hands that will call if we bet. This is especially after a tight passive guy overcalls on the monotone flop. The vast majority of the time the SB will have us beat here either with a flush or top set.
Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
 
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let me clarify

i was talking in reference to hand 1

hero has 66 bottom set but owns one of the each overcard on the flop, which makes an overset unlikely

on the turn, there are no made straights or flushes and lots of draws. So I think we're still ahead no? Or are we giving villain credit for a 99xx? And even against 99xx we have 5 outs.
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 Oh, my bad. I thought you were talking about hand 2. As for hand 1.. A passive guy almost never 3bets that hard on the turn without a quality hand. And 2 pair usually isn't enough to do this.

At best I think we are looking at some combo draw that we're probably 50/50 with. But usually when the passive guy wakes up with a huge 3bet, it's the nuts or close to it.

Against a double flush draw and open-ended straight draw:
Omaha Hi: 40 enumerated boards containing Qd 6d Ah 9h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As 6s Qc 6c 21 52.50 19 47.50 0 0.00 0.525
Ad Jd Th 2h 19 47.50 21 52.50 0 0.00 0.475

Against flush+wrap draw:

Omaha Hi: 40 enumerated boards containing Qd 6d Ah 9h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As 6s Qc 6c 20 50.00 20 50.00 0 0.00 0.500
8c Jd Td Kh 20 50.00 20 50.00 0 0.00 0.500
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