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bigspenda73
Old 05-26-2007, 05:19 AM     Post subject: 2 more PLO hands, I think Im a huge wuss #1 (permalink)  
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 Dont have the HH's anymore but I can remember the hands. Basic loose passive game PF with a little more aggressiveness postflop than usual.

Sigh, these are bad.

Hand 1

$25PLO
Effective stacks $25

Hero is MP with :As:

UTG calls, Hero calls, CO raises to $.50, 3 folds, UTG calls, Hero calls

Flop ($1.85)
UTG checks, Hero checks, CO bets $1.85, UTG calls, Hero calls

Turn ($7.40)
UTG checks, Hero checks, CO checks

River ($7.40)
UTG checks, Hero checks, CO bets $7.40, UTG folds, Hero folds.


Hand 2
$35 effective stacks

Hero is BB with :As: :Kc:

2 folds, CO calls, BTN calls, SB completes, Hero checks

Flop ($1) :Ac: :Kh:
SB checks, Hero bets $1, CO folds, BTN raises to $4, SB folds, Hero calls

Turn ($9) :Qs:
Hero checks, BTN bets $9, Hero calls

River ($27)
Hero checks, BTN bets $23 (all-in), Hero folds
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Old 05-26-2007, 11:46 PM #2 (permalink)  
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where is your aggression? i know barely anything about omaha, but you seem to be way too passive. you should be betting your draw in hand 1. you should cr the flop aggressively and probably even bet the turn (although i'm not too sure about this since the board pairs).

in hand 2 you need to get all your chips onto the middle by the turn. you flopped top 2p and have a good draw. what do you put villain on that you're so scared of? all your chips should be in on the turn IMO
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Old 05-27-2007, 01:24 AM #3 (permalink)  
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where is your aggression? i know barely anything about omaha, but you seem to be way too passive.
Omaha tends to play more passive because unlike hold'em there is less money up for grabs when people miss or don't hit the flop very hard. Also, these are unraised pots.

In both cases hero with lots of money behind chose to see a turn before committing his stack. I think it's a reasonable play, although you can make a case for just going nuts on the flop.
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Old 05-27-2007, 01:30 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 I think he has AA/KK alot in hand 2 meaning Im getting my money in behind if I go bonkers.

The rivers are good folds right?
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Old 05-27-2007, 02:21 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 #1 I lead the flop and hope to get raised so I can get it all in. Against just the nut straight you are actually a money favorite. Plus you want to make people pay to draw to their non-nut flushes. They will often even pay more to show it down after they hit since your most likely hand (in their eyes) is the straight.

As played, a read on the CO would help. Some people like to check behind on the turn when they boat up, but most people just bet it when in position.

Since neither you nor UTG has shown any strength in the hand, it gave him the green light to make a pot sized river ber that no one can call. Given his line, it's quite possible that he made an 8 high straight on the river or is bluffing with his counterfeited top 2 pair (or air).

#2 I'd play slow like that too. Check-fold river = goot. He is either bluffing or betting his AA/KK, usually the latter.
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Old 05-27-2007, 02:50 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 Speaking of b/f, what's the right bet size here?

Ultimate Bet Pot-Limit Omaha High, $.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($14.28)
MP ($20)
Button ($15.76)
SB ($5.58)
Hero ($24.63)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5, 8, 8, 7. MP posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, MP (poster) checks, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($0.75) 5, 6, 9 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.75, MP calls $0.75, SB folds.

Turn: ($2.25) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.25, MP calls $2.25.

River: ($6.75) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $4
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Old 05-27-2007, 03:36 AM #7 (permalink)  
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I think that river bet is good

I'm with KH on hand 1. Jam the flop.
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although you can make a case for just going nuts on the flop.
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Old 05-27-2007, 09:22 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Hero has 15 outs on the flop, right? They are all to the nuts though.. I am not sure going bananas is totally warrented. What am I missing? Do we have 50% equity vs. a set?
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 15outs is a 3:2 dog against a set
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Old 05-27-2007, 09:33 PM #11 (permalink)  
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 Well,

it depends on what kind of outs they are. If they are outs to a straight/flush then a 3:2 dog as villain boats up a nice percentage of the time.

If the are outs to a flush/straight/over-full then it's closer to a coinflip.

FWIW, Im not looking to flip for stacks at this level when I could easily get my money in better against poor opponents. I will flip for stacks when I feel there is enough dead money out there to warrant it, probably not though in limped pots.
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Old 05-27-2007, 10:49 PM #12 (permalink)  
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Against terrible opponents, I'm more inclined to play turns than flops.
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Old 05-28-2007, 04:04 AM #13 (permalink)  
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Against terrible opponents, I'm more inclined to play turns than flops.
Nice idea with a wonderful hand, but big draws mean a lot surely? And big draws don't like turns about 50% of the time.
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Old 05-28-2007, 04:27 AM #14 (permalink)  
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 Ash, if we are flipping with a bad player all the time we aren't any better.
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Old 05-28-2007, 04:36 PM #15 (permalink)  
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And big draws don't like turns about 50% of the time.
So you can get out and save part of your stack (statement is only valid at micro stakes)
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Ash, if we are flipping with a bad player all the time we aren't any better.
Very very very good point.
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