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pokerlearner

09-18-2005, 06:23 AM Post subject: 2 different OESD plays and 1 AQ.

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Hand 1:
Was it correct to raise the turn and call the river ?? I was ready to fold if the turn was reraised. But am not sure if I should have called the river. CO was all quiet and bets the river. and its an overcall by me. was that ok ??
btw, CO had Quad kings

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 max, 10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A

, Q

.
2 folds, UTG+2 raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, CO caps, 3 folds, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) K

, 2

, K

(3 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: (6.75 BB) Q

(3 players)
UTG+2 bets, Hero raises, CO calls, UTG+2 calls.

River: (12.75 BB) 2

(3 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero checks, CO bets, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.75 BB

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Hand 2:

should i have played any different. i had the odds to chase after that straight even on a scary board (potential boat and the flush on the river). i should make that call still right, on the river i mean ?
Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 max, 9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7

, 6

.
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 5

, 4

(6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 6

(5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 bets, MP3 folds, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

River: (12 BB) 8

(4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, MP1 raises, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 18 BB

Results in white below:
UTG has 8h Kh (flush, king high).
MP1 has 8c 7h (straight, eight high).
Hero has 7s 6s (straight, eight high).
Outcome: UTG wins 18 BB.
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Hand 3:
I dont play K-10s from utg+1 (rarely actually) but here 2 people had posted blinds so was getting about 4:1 (assuming sb calls). anyways after the flop i had OESD and backdoor, became, oesd and four to flush on turn. even though i was raised on flop i still bet the turn ? was it correct ? i knew he was going to raise it but had 2 people in the middle to call, hopefully. correct play ??

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 max, 9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T

, K

. MP3 posts a blind of $1. CO posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 (poster) checks, CO (poster) raises, 3 folds, UTG calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 2

, J

, Q

(5 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO raises, UTG folds, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (10.25 BB) 4

(4 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, CO calls.

River: (13.25 BB) T

(3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, CO bets, Hero folds, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 15.25 BB

Results in white below:
MP1 has 6d Kd (high card, king).
CO has Ks Ac (straight, ace high).
Outcome: CO wins 15.25 BB.

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09-18-2005, 10:14 PM

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Hand 1: Bet the river
Hand 2: fold the turn, there's a flush, your straight is reduces to a one-card straight, if you hit two pair it will never hold up, you're only hoping for another six here for a 4.3% chance of winning by the river
you'd need at least 10-1 odds to call here, and you can still be beat if you hit the six (quads fours

) and you definitely be beat if you hit anything else so I'd make a crying fold on the river seeing as I split at best, or the river gets capped by the flush and better straight and I end paying the flush off
Hand 3: looks good

Fnord

09-19-2005, 01:49 AM

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Hand 1: check/fold the river if you respect the CO at all. His cold call on the turn is at least a flush draw. UTG+2s call is also a little scary.

Hand 2: Meh

Hand 3: Why did you bet the turn? Do you think you ever get 2 folds given the board + flop action? Would you want to 3-bet if raised?

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

Hand 2: fold the turn

Folding is the only option I can rule out on the turn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

09-19-2005, 01:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

Hand 2: fold the turn

Folding is the only option I can rule out on the turn.

I guess I shouldn't have looked at the results.

pokerlearner

09-19-2005, 05:22 PM

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I would appreciate if anyone could corrct my mistake in hand 3 with reasoning. I wasnt looking for a fold from anyone. I was just building the pot on the turn where I felt I had the most equity. Maybe my concept of pot equity is retarded and I am probably wrong. I felt I had about 15 outs, 9 for flush, and oesd. So with 3 players, I should be pumping the pot.
no ??

thanks again for all your help guys.

Fnord

09-19-2005, 05:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pokerlearner

I felt I had about 15 outs, 9 for flush, and oesd. So with 3 players, I should be pumping the pot.
no ??

However, you're threatening going 2, 3 or a cap on the turn by betting into the flop aggressor. This will often get someone to fold. I would only bet this turn if I feared CO would take a free card (you don't really care much either way it's so close) or I intended to 3-bet. You only make money on the turn if everyone calls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

pokerlearner

09-19-2005, 05:41 PM

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thanks fnord. appreciate it. I will know what to do next time when similar situation arises

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