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bigspenda73

09-20-2008, 11:00 AM Post subject: 2-7 in Stars 8game, still learning

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saffi is stud fish and he's not very good at 2-7 either, seen him make a think river raise and ridiculously bad call earlier with an 876 against a pat hand who bet/3bet the end. Other player seems decent actually:

PokerStars Game #20548851036: 8-Game (Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit, $1/$2) - 2008/09/20 6:54:10 ET
Table 'Syrma II' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Darky Vador ($18.75 in chips)
Seat 2: G3neral3n ($48.85 in chips)
Seat 3: Ahobaka ($36.35 in chips)
Seat 4: LolTrappedU ($32.30 in chips)
Seat 5: saffi666 ($48.45 in chips)
Seat 6: taaberg ($41.60 in chips)
saffi666: posts small blind $0.50
taaberg: posts big blind $1
*** DEALING HANDS ***
Dealt to LolTrappedU [3s Js 7d 5s 9c]
Darky Vador: folds
G3neral3n: raises $1 to $2
Ahobaka: folds
LolTrappedU: raises $1 to $3
saffi666: calls $2.50
taaberg: folds
G3neral3n: calls $1
*** FIRST DRAW ***
saffi666: discards 2 cards
G3neral3n: discards 1 card
LolTrappedU: discards 2 cards [Js 9c]
Dealt to LolTrappedU [3s 7d 5s] [Jd 5c]
saffi666: checks
G3neral3n: checks
LolTrappedU: checks
*** SECOND DRAW ***
saffi666: discards 1 card
G3neral3n: discards 1 card
LolTrappedU: discards 2 cards [Jd 5c]
Dealt to LolTrappedU [3s 7d 5s] [8h 4h]
saffi666: checks
G3neral3n: bets $2
LolTrappedU: calls $2
saffi666: calls $2
*** THIRD DRAW ***
saffi666: discards 1 card
G3neral3n: stands pat
LolTrappedU: stands pat on [3s 7d 5s 8h 4h]
saffi666: checks
G3neral3n: bets $2
LolTrappedU:
saffi666:

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swiggidy

09-20-2008, 02:48 PM

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Seems like a fold. Not a great hand vs what seems like a tight player. I'd consider breaking the 8 on the turn

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09-20-2008, 03:02 PM

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Seems like a fold. Not a great hand vs what seems like a tight player. I'd consider breaking the 8 on the turn

I agree it seems like a fold. Tbh I probably wouldn't 3bet pre. I think if you had the 257xx pre its definitely a 3bet but I like to have the 2.
I don't think I agree w/breaking the 8 though, cause you're only drawing to 4 outs to improve your hand and probably less than that cause its very likely at least one of them has a 2. But I can see breaking it if your thinking its a fold to the river bet anyway. If I'm planning to play a lot vs these players I might call on the end just to see what he's staying pat on and betting the river (but it definitely is a strong bet, worst hand he prob bets is 86 or 76?). But in the long run its a fold I think. Idk, fun game, still learning obviously...

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09-20-2008, 03:32 PM

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#^#$^$

We play A5 at my house because it was less confusing to teach, except now I always think I can draw to an A so it worked out worse for me.

You should just muck instead of drawing or standing pat. Good for metagame.

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09-20-2008, 07:19 PM

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But I'm getting 8.5:1 and the other player can overcall with worse!!

I wish it was some simple math equation

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09-20-2008, 09:12 PM

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09-20-2008, 09:20 PM

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Probably b/c you play against people with half a brain who would c/c 9-7 and not bet it into 2 people, one who stood pat and the other who drew 1.

I adjusted my reads afterwards.

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09-20-2008, 09:23 PM

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During the game I'd call because of the odds, but not be ecstatic. Good to know he only seemed like a good player.

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09-21-2008, 12:14 AM

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people with half a brain who would c/c 9-7 and not bet it into 2 people, one who stood pat and the other who drew 1.

Wouldn't this be a check-fold except under extreme circumstances?

About the actual hand, I don't like passing up these odds when I don't known an opponent well, so I'd need solid evidence (that is, taken from a large sample) that he's a nit before folding. Besides, you can potentially gain some useful information by calling, even if it's not the best play in terms of immediate expectation.

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09-21-2008, 05:23 AM

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I will probably raise after 2nd draw, if he did not make his hand you are ahead and if he made a rough hand you may get him to break it
Once he stood pat I dont think your 87 is good, the problem with breaking it is that you have the 2 only to draw to, I think this is a fold

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09-23-2008, 09:07 AM

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Predraw is some LOL spew. When a decent player raises from early position I'm never 3-betting them unless I have a 1-card draw or 27 plus a third wheel card.

Breaking the 34578 is bad because you only have one card that improves you like TLR said.
Raising for a free showdown (and folding to a 3bet) >>>>> calling and standing pat because if you raise you force out saffi who is drawing live against you.

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09-23-2008, 09:29 AM

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wow

never thought of the 2nd draw line, cool stuff

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10-01-2008, 04:41 PM

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Predraw is some LOL spew. When a decent player raises from early position I'm never 3-betting them unless I have a 1-card draw or 27 plus a third wheel card.

This.

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