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T.M
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03-18-2006, 12:38 AM
Post subject: 2/4 QQ on paired flop?
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Join Date: Nov 2005
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A couple mins into the session, i dont have any read on anyone. I took his flat calls on the flop as a weakness, then again on the turn, but he bet into me again on the river, then i got confused.
thoughts?
PokerRoom 2/4 Hold'em (0 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
Preflop: is with , .
, xChuckNorisx folds, Project91 folds, ghotiroom folds, n. raises, Hawkyns folds, babyfires1 folds, K7Avenger folds, somefreak 3-bets, MAHPSMAHPSS folds, n. caps, somefreak calls.
somefreak bets, n. raises, somefreak calls.
somefreak bets, n. raises, somefreak calls.
somefreak bets, n. raises, somefreak calls.
Final Pot: 0 BB
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T.M
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Join Date: Nov 2005
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ummm guess i cant get the converter to work, or am i retarded?
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midas06
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4-of-a-Kind
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Use http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter/
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T.M
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Join Date: Nov 2005
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k i fixed it.
Poker Room skin
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
9 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP2 with Q Q
3 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, SB 3-bets, BB folds, Hero Caps, SB calls.
Flop: 5 J J (9SB, 2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.
Turn: 3 (6.5BB, 2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.
River: 5 (10.5BB, 2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.
Results:
Final pot: 14.5BB
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Vinterriket
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Straight
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: at a bar
Posts: 144
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why are you at a table with Chuck Norris, might as well just flush money down the toilet
I may just call the river bet. Otherwise I think it was played fine.
Note: Limit is not my strong game
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euphoricism
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looks like AA or KK to me. Sorry, YHING. He bets the flop because hey, he has AA. You raise because hey, you have QQ. He donks the turn because theres no way you raise the flop with a J there. You raise because hey, youve got QQ. Repeat for the river.
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Fnord
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I don't like the river raise.
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Demiparadigm
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I call the river also.
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pokerfanatic
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Fnord
I don't like the river raise.
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seems like a spew to me...
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Xanadu
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Full House
Join Date: May 2005
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I agree. Looks like he likes his hand too much to miss a value bet, but is afraid of a J so never 3bets. These plays can't be right. To bet call both the turn and river just seems really wrong to me.
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Renton
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Straight Flush
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What hand with a J in it caps preflop?
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Xanadu
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Full House
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villain didn't cap but 3-bet preflop. JJ can logically 3bet. Some people might 3-bet AJs, but the betting postflop rules either hand out.
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IowaSkinsFan
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Oct 2004
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That is the weirdest line from an opponent i have ever seen. Why does he bet out every street only to call a raise every freaking time?
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arkitekton
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Flush
Join Date: Apr 2006
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It is a weird line, IowaSkinsFan, though like Euphoricism I'm putting him on AA or KK--and leaning towards AA since with KK he might have checked the T or R after the pf betting was capped, and he got raised on the f (and T). Agree that he fears a J (for unclear reasons) and therefore doesn't reraise F, T, or R. Unless I figured opp for a complete dolt, I probably wouldn't raise the turn, and definitely wouldn't raise the river. There's actually some (admittedly offbeat) logic to opps pattern.
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Ltrain
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Flush
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Location: Miami, Florida
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6,6-10,10 may play this way thinking Hero has A,K
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euphoricism
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by arkitekton
It is a weird line, IowaSkinsFan, though like Euphoricism I'm putting him on AA or KK--and leaning towards AA since with KK he might have checked the T or R after the pf betting was capped, and he got raised on the f (and T). Agree that he fears a J (for unclear reasons) and therefore doesn't reraise F, T, or R. Unless I figured opp for a complete dolt, I probably wouldn't raise the turn, and definitely wouldn't raise the river. There's actually some (admittedly offbeat) logic to opps pattern.
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He's getting the most with a hand he feels is best, and doesnt mind putting in four bets with it, and doesnt want it checked through. I might play AA the exact same way (except I dont think I'd lead the river if I was him.)
Can someone give me a better line with AA here?
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elipsesjeff
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by arkitekton
It is a weird line, IowaSkinsFan, though like Euphoricism I'm putting him on AA or KK--and leaning towards AA since with KK he might have checked the T or R after the pf betting was capped, and he got raised on the f (and T). Agree that he fears a J (for unclear reasons) and therefore doesn't reraise F, T, or R. Unless I figured opp for a complete dolt, I probably wouldn't raise the turn, and definitely wouldn't raise the river. There's actually some (admittedly offbeat) logic to opps pattern.
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Opponent's obsessive stop n' go line is annoying and is pretty dumb. We've all had idiots donk all three streats on us as we raise all three streets with nothing but TPTK and we are right. I don't mind the river raise too much but I would much rather call.
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